Putting things into perspective

[Martin Walsh]

The agreement must be seen in the context that Royal Mail as a company is on a cliff top. Mismanagement , loss of revenue and increased costs have put the very future of Royal Mail moving forward into jeopardy.

Those who claim that the government will bail us out are only part right. They would have continued with the USO but everything else would have likely ceased causing thousands of immediate job losses with on Statuary redundancy pay available.

No responsible union gambles with its members jobs and wages.

Instead we have an agreement, not perfect but has changed the company on every aspect.

Those who reject this and that is your right then do you really thing that change won’t be imposed and do you really think that pay in a company which loss 800 million this year is suddenly going to cough up even if it survives ?

Now let’s answer some of the points.

1. You deserve more pay but there is no more. The pay options are the same but the 6% this year is better option as it flows through to pensions , allowances , overtime and SA. The lump sum option would have delayed the 6% to next year and meant you only got 2% in April.

2. Royal Mail are coming of flights , no strike will force Royal Mail to continue to fly Mail for CO2 reasons and that a growing number of companies are refusing to use parcel companies who fly work. Once Royal Mail come off planes you will receive your distant mail later.

3. The CWU have reduced this to ensure that in the vast majority of untie you will only move up to 60 minutes.

4. Just because the last letter for urban and rural will move to 16:30. It does not mean every unit moves to 16:30. The current urban last letter is 15:30 not every unit currently finishes at 15:30.

5. The agreement states that the majority of units will finish by 15:30 , the vast majority by 16:00 and there will be working groups to ensure this can be achieved.

6. Seasonal variations is fundamentally different to annualised hours and flexi bank. Every Delivery postie will know a year in advance their start and finish times. The 15 weeks in the summer when you will work 24 minutes less per day and the 15 weeks in peak when you will work 24 minutes more per day before your duty is known.

7. The 30 minutes flex is not compulsory and is subject to a review.

I will comment more in due course but if anyone believes there are no consequences if you reject the deal and believe it will get better than your really are not reading the room.

[greengiant]

A sensible post!

[FirstPost]

Martin with all due respect, the CWU have lost the workforce, you've only got to look here and at social media....CWU have sold us down the river and saved their own skin. How it went from an inflation matching payrise to the current deal I'll never know.

[zz666]

At best It's a watered-down version of original proposals.

[Acca Dacca]

The deal is a joke but while you are here, on this profit share scheme that is being heralded;

Who's profit is being shared? The profit generated by only the Royal Mail subsidiary of IDS or the entire profit of IDS as a whole?

Because if its the former, then 20% of eff all is still eff all

And would the union please stop doing the same as Royal Mail and saying that first days of second absence will be 'paid at SSP rates' when the reality is that SSP rates for those days is UNPAID - i find it really underhanded as it gives the impression we will still be paid, just less to those not clued up.

[enskied]

Hog wash

[FirstPost]

At best It's a watered-down version of original proposals.

It's not good enough, CWU are celebrating like they've come off best but really they've just saved themselves and put it to us that it's a good deal. FACT!

[dakka86]

So what have we fighting for all along is the obvious question
We were told to vote yes to stop the majority of this coming in we’re we not ?

[77SAMPOST77]

A sensible post!

And what are those consequences Martin ,
For those of us NOT ABLE TO READ THE ROOM .
Pretty arrogant comment that is .

[theotherone]

So there is no Plan B? If we vote No that's it?
We came into this together we go out together I thought.

[sindba]

So vote for the deal OR ELSE? Tough sell.

Sick pay?
Attendance standards?
Performance monitoring?

There's so much in this deal that isn't essential modernisation, it just flogs us to death. Race to the bottom.

Still a big NO from me.

[BenacreNick]

Martin, I don't think you are reading the strength of feeling this afternoon from the postman and postwoman.

Everything that has gone before is not our fault, but it looks like we are the ones being made to pay.

Read the room yourself my friend.

[ddtc]

Vote yes or else? Thats what I'm getting from your perspective.

[thefox]

The agreement must be seen in the context that Royal Mail as a company is on a cliff top. Mismanagement , loss of revenue and increased costs have put the very future of Royal Mail moving forward into jeopardy.

Those who claim that the government will bail us out are only part right. They would have continued with the USO but everything else would have likely ceased causing thousands of immediate job losses with on Statuary redundancy pay available.

No responsible union gambles with its members jobs and wages.

Instead we have an agreement, not perfect but has changed the company on every aspect.

Those who reject this and that is your right then do you really thing that change won’t be imposed and do you really think that pay in a company which loss 800 million this year is suddenly going to cough up even if it survives ?

Now let’s answer some of the points.

1. You deserve more pay but there is no more. The pay options are the same but the 6% this year is better option as it flows through to pensions , allowances , overtime and SA. The lump sum option would have delayed the 6% to next year and meant you only got 2% in April.

2. Royal Mail are coming of flights , no strike will force Royal Mail to continue to fly Mail for CO2 reasons and that a growing number of companies are refusing to use parcel companies who fly work. Once Royal Mail come off planes you will receive your distant mail later.

3. The CWU have reduced this to ensure that in the vast majority of untie you will only move up to 60 minutes.

4. Just because the last letter for urban and rural will move to 16:30. It does not mean every unit moves to 16:30. The current urban last letter is 15:30 not every unit currently finishes at 15:30.

5. The agreement states that the majority of units will finish by 15:30 , the vast majority by 16:00 and there will be working groups to ensure this can be achieved.

6. Seasonal variations is fundamentally different to annualised hours and flexi bank. Every Delivery postie will know a year in advance their start and finish times. The 15 weeks in the summer when you will work 24 minutes less per day and the 15 weeks in peak when you will work 24 minutes more per day before your duty is known.

7. The 30 minutes flex is not compulsory and is subject to a review.

I will comment more in due course but if anyone believes there are no consequences if you reject the deal and believe it will get better than your really are not reading the room.

Ok....still voting no

[Walter sobchak]

It’s a poor deal but that’s as good as it gets so I’m voting yes and looking for another job.