Talks have ended - no agreement : Added RM's improved offer to 1st post

[guardianangel]

Royal Mail have previously stated they have funding in place on acceptance of the agreement

yes 1.7 billion so they could give us 7 % each year so a 21 %payrise,if we accept what they offer they'd probably pocket the rest.

[guardianangel]

I'd like to know what exactly did the cwu propose maybe these terms offered by RM should be put to the members and then we can vote yes or no , in our office we already start at 7.30, 8.00 on Tues it used to be 5 but the union agreed to later start times with RM I'd like to know what times other offices start the changes to sick pay I agree with there's far too many glass backs milking it I definitely don't agree with annualised hours option B the better of a shite offer we deserve more but if RM are in financial trouble maybe that's the best deal we can get Sunday working stays voluntary

Trust no one,don't believe a word Royal Mail say haven't any of us learnt any lessons over this last year they are a bunch of lying cheating toe rags.

[DiamondSmiles]

It's all very well Thompson and his lot posting what they have offered us, but I reckon there is plenty in their offer they are not telling us, sick pay, banking of hours etc. Cards on the table, let's see all of your offer RM.

[sindba]

It's all very well Thompson and his lot posting what they have offered us, but I reckon there is plenty in their offer they are not telling us, sick pay, banking of hours etc. Cards on the table, let's see all of your offer RM.

Exactly this.

For example what's this bulls**t about "levelling up new starter contracts in 5 years"? In 5 years they plan to have everyone on the same decent contracts? Or the same shitty contracts? I think we know the answer.

[nuisance]

I think the (paraphrased) "be grateful we're only moving your start (and finish!) times an hour to an hour and a half later when really we wanted to shaft you much more, and look here, we're offering you a choice between various crummy options on how to take your inadequate pay rise, aren't you ready to just stop protesting and sign up to anything, there's a little lump sum if you do..." should be enough to inspire some more push back!

[daveyeff]

Previously all press releases from the CWU were equality checked for errors maintaining professional standards. The media and communication dept has gone down hill in recent years with quality and needs a professional running the dept.

like Simon Thomson?

[datasaint]

Hit them with strikes, should have been announced weeks and weeks ago.

If there had been an indefinite strike from the very start the money wouldn't have dwindled away, and a deal would likely have been struck within the first few weeks.

The company have had the upper hand throughout all this, and now it looks like the staff are going to be awestruck by a lousy £1500 (grand after tax) lump sum, what a joke.

[Jinder]

So much for non disclosure and confidentiality blah,blah,blah. RM are the first ones out of the blocks to issue some sort of statement on the talks. The union has been outsmarted yet again by these imbeciles and they still want to carry on talking. RM have stated no more crumbs for us, so it’s time to strike now,WTF are they waiting for?

[mjd24]

The deal above isn't actually bad and if the CWU don't put this to vote they're probably signing our P45.
The deal on pay with the largest lump sum equates to 14% over the next two yrs or 16% if you include the 2% we have had already. With inflation set to fall to 3% by 24 it's not a million miles away from keeping up with inflation over that 3yr period.
The 500 lump sum option would equate to just over 10% so not as good as the biggest lump sum option.
Incidentally both options you end up on same basic wage after 2 yrs whichever way round you take the 2% and 6% .

No compulsory Sundays.
Existing allowances not touched.
No later starts for a year.

The Union has to put this to a vote IMHO.

Get your calculator out again mate!

[norris9]

Option B: 10% three year pay deal, plus £1,500
- 2% pay rise from April 2022 (already paid), 2% from April 2023 plus a lump sum of £1,500, 6% from April 2024
- Plus achieving pay parity for new starters over a five year period

I'd take option B. But the thing that annoys me about it is managers got a decent pay rise many months ago now. Why are they worth a decent pay rise from the date they got theirs, but we only get a decent pay rise from now?

Profit share – Couldn't care less about this with the people we have in charge who have lost £1million a day.

60 minutes – 90 minutes later finishes That puts us into rush hour traffic, delivering and driving home from work in school traffic may be horrendous.

In the end, the CWU were unable to agree to the change needed to ensure the future of this company.

Simon, you agreed with the union to halt revisions! - you have not!, they don't trust you!

[daveyeff]

Royal Mail have previously stated they have funding in place on acceptance of the agreement

yes, they have money if you accept their shite, but if we don't accept it they've got no money.

[datasaint]

Option B: 10% three year pay deal, plus £1,500
- 2% pay rise from April 2022 (already paid), 2% from April 2023 plus a lump sum of £1,500, 6% from April 2024
- Plus achieving pay parity for new starters over a five year period

I'd take option B. But the thing that annoys me about it is managers got a decent pay rise many months ago now. Why are they worth a decent pay rise from the date they got theirs, but we only get a decent pay rise from now?

Profit share – Couldn't care less about this with the people we have in charge who have lost £1million a day.

60 minutes – 90 minutes later finishes That puts us into rush hour traffic, delivering and driving home from work in school traffic may be horrendous.

In the end, the CWU were unable to agree to the change needed to ensure the future of this company.

Simon, you agreed with the union to halt revisions! - you have not!, they don't trust you!

What is so attractive about a lump sum? If you took that amount in percentage terms you would get paid it every subsequent year, not just a one off.

They're fobbing you off anyway, the £1500 is just the 5% they offered as the "best and final offer" for 2022.

[ashmeister77]

Massive NO from me

[worktotime]

The deal above isn't actually bad and if the CWU don't put this to vote they're probably signing our P45.
The deal on pay with the largest lump sum equates to 14% over the next two yrs or 16% if you include the 2% we have had already. With inflation set to fall to 3% by 24 it's not a million miles away from keeping up with inflation over that 3yr period.
The 500 lump sum option would equate to just over 10% so not as good as the biggest lump sum option.
Incidentally both options you end up on same basic wage after 2 yrs whichever way round you take the 2% and 6% .

No compulsory Sundays.
Existing allowances not touched.
No later starts for a year.

The Union has to put this to a vote IMHO.

yeh but there is no mention of commit to deliver , sick pay , ihr , redundancy payments , flexy hours , banking of hours and its looking like people are falling for the dangling of the golden carrott again ,

[datasaint]

The deal on pay with the largest lump sum equates to 14% over the next two yrs or 16% if you include the 2% we have had already. With inflation set to fall to 3% by 24 it's not a million miles away from keeping up with inflation over that 3yr period.

Lump sums don't have any bearing on your wage. So no it's not anywhere like 16%.

It's 10% over 3 years, when we've had sustained inflation for the last 2 years nearing 20% in total so you're agreeing to a pay cut, amazing