Reps Online Briefing today...

[SpacePhoenix]

It's interesting that Post Office employees have been offered 9% from this April with substantial cash lump sum (c.£1500+) in addition, as well as improvements to terms and conditions (holidays, bereavement leave). Granted there are far fewer of them to pay. But it does show the CWU can get a decent deal (and also the CWU are calling this deal 'decent', none of the 'deal of the century'/'best that could have been got' hyperbole that we've had in the past).

Might be partly down to the Post Office not being a part of Royal Mail Group (IDS)

[chrisj]

What stopped the CWU specifying a figure for the pay rise part of the deal? Most other Unions came straight out with figures; even if they were outlandish...

After 11 months, we have still no clue what 'decent' pay rise is, according to the CWU. They wasted efforts on no-string but we can get past that if they then came out with an acceptable percentage increase.

It appeared that they were holding out for a big pay rise and not bothering with back pay as one of our regular poster here keep telling us that it does not matter. It does!

Now, we have the added complicity of them in league with Royal Mail that the company is in financial difficulty. Do they expect Royal Mail to go and borrow money to fund a pay rise this year and on-going even though they are making about £500 million loss?

What exactly are they talking about?

[CRIBMAD]

In the words of Monty Python - "Is this the right room for a bit of Union Bashing ?"

[Acca Dacca]

What stopped the CWU specifying a figure for the pay rise part of the deal? Most other Unions came straight out with figures; even if they were outlandish...

After 11 months, we have still no clue what 'decent' pay rise is, according to the CWU. They wasted efforts on no-string but we can get past that if they then came out with an acceptable percentage increase.

It appeared that they were holding out for a big pay rise and not bothering with back pay as one of our regular poster here keep telling us that it does not matter. It does!

Now, we have the added complicity of them in league with Royal Mail that the company is in financial difficulty. Do they expect Royal Mail to go and borrow money to fund a pay rise this year and on-going even though they are making about £500 million loss?

What exactly are they talking about?

Ward has said numerous times

A true 9% was acceptable

[thefox]

Just Googled quickly and found something interesting:

From: https://business-insolvency-helpline.co ... istration/

During this process, the administrator is required to prioritise the payment of certain debts, such as employee wages and benefits, over other unsecured debts. This means that employees of the company should continue to be paid as normal, unless the administrator determines that there are insufficient funds available to meet these obligations. It is worth noting that the administrator has the power to make changes to the terms of employment, such as reducing wages or altering working hours, in order to try to improve the financial position of the company.

That bit that I've highlighted makes me wonder if the board want RM to enter administration as could that give them carte blanche to force through loads of stuff like Sunday working not being voluntary, all delivery staff needing to be able to drive. Staff having no choice if loaned to another office, all allowances reduced or gone? There's probably other stuff that they would like to force through if they could

You Don't seriously think they want to go into administration just to get changes forced through do you.

[SpacePhoenix]

Just Googled quickly and found something interesting:

From: https://business-insolvency-helpline.co ... istration/

During this process, the administrator is required to prioritise the payment of certain debts, such as employee wages and benefits, over other unsecured debts. This means that employees of the company should continue to be paid as normal, unless the administrator determines that there are insufficient funds available to meet these obligations. It is worth noting that the administrator has the power to make changes to the terms of employment, such as reducing wages or altering working hours, in order to try to improve the financial position of the company.

That bit that I've highlighted makes me wonder if the board want RM to enter administration as could that give them carte blanche to force through loads of stuff like Sunday working not being voluntary, all delivery staff needing to be able to drive. Staff having no choice if loaned to another office, all allowances reduced or gone? There's probably other stuff that they would like to force through if they could

You Don't seriously think they want to go into administration just to get changes forced through do you.

With the way they've acted over the last few months I wouldn't put it past them

[k979aaa]

Just Googled quickly and found something interesting:

From: https://business-insolvency-helpline.co ... istration/

During this process, the administrator is required to prioritise the payment of certain debts, such as employee wages and benefits, over other unsecured debts. This means that employees of the company should continue to be paid as normal, unless the administrator determines that there are insufficient funds available to meet these obligations. It is worth noting that the administrator has the power to make changes to the terms of employment, such as reducing wages or altering working hours, in order to try to improve the financial position of the company.

That bit that I've highlighted makes me wonder if the board want RM to enter administration as could that give them carte blanche to force through loads of stuff like Sunday working not being voluntary, all delivery staff needing to be able to drive. Staff having no choice if loaned to another office, all allowances reduced or gone? There's probably other stuff that they would like to force through if they could

You Don't seriously think they want to go into administration just to get changes forced through do you.

With the way they've acted over the last few months I wouldn't put it past them

We are dealing with very sinister people here this is not a game but dog eat dog people they would kill you without blinking!

[rambo1]

Hopefully people are starting to cook for themselves again. As you said it might solve the obesity problem we have and it's way less expensive.

So many food items you can taste when they've changed the recipes, often less herbs and spices in things, some things now taste drier than they used to. Some sauces seem more watery, don't thicken up when cooking as much as they used to

That's why best to make from scratch. People say they don't have time but that's rubbish.

[rambo1]

Just Googled quickly and found something interesting:

From: https://business-insolvency-helpline.co ... istration/

During this process, the administrator is required to prioritise the payment of certain debts, such as employee wages and benefits, over other unsecured debts. This means that employees of the company should continue to be paid as normal, unless the administrator determines that there are insufficient funds available to meet these obligations. It is worth noting that the administrator has the power to make changes to the terms of employment, such as reducing wages or altering working hours, in order to try to improve the financial position of the company.

That bit that I've highlighted makes me wonder if the board want RM to enter administration as could that give them carte blanche to force through loads of stuff like Sunday working not being voluntary, all delivery staff needing to be able to drive. Staff having no choice if loaned to another office, all allowances reduced or gone? There's probably other stuff that they would like to force through if they could

You Don't seriously think they want to go into administration just to get changes forced through do you.

With the way they've acted over the last few months I wouldn't put it past them

We are dealing with very sinister people here this is not a game but dog eat dog people they would kill you without blinking!

If RM went into administration it would have no board of directors unless someone bought it. Like a Czech for £1.

[rambo1]

What stopped the CWU specifying a figure for the pay rise part of the deal? Most other Unions came straight out with figures; even if they were outlandish...

After 11 months, we have still no clue what 'decent' pay rise is, according to the CWU. They wasted efforts on no-string but we can get past that if they then came out with an acceptable percentage increase.

It appeared that they were holding out for a big pay rise and not bothering with back pay as one of our regular poster here keep telling us that it does not matter. It does!

Now, we have the added complicity of them in league with Royal Mail that the company is in financial difficulty. Do they expect Royal Mail to go and borrow money to fund a pay rise this year and on-going even though they are making about £500 million loss?

What exactly are they talking about?

If they string it out till autumn an inflation busting pay rise may well be 5% . Never mind the fact we'd be starting 10% down though

[dazzler123]

no idea if adminstration is the plan, but i always assumed Thompson et al would be long gone after his wrecking ball work is done regardless

[rambo1]

The leadership of Thompson and his crew have brought RM to the brink of collapse. The priority of the CWU will be to protect an defend members whatever the outcome.


Yet again instead of consensus and thoughtful deliberation in bringing an end to the dispute at this late stage

Fighting talk to stir the pot again as a press release to put the backs up again with Royal Mail

It’s one of the reasons a lot of offices are toxic. The posters and notice boards are full of things like “a storm is coming” and implying that the managers are basically the anti christ. That the company is always against us.

It’s an Us vs Them mentality and the CWU feed off it.
I have a family member who works for the nhs and the union posters there are basically help line numbers and contacts for advice. Not “the war is coming. Stand by your union. Solidarity…..”

It’s like 1942 propaganda. And a lot of issues on my office are because the staff won’t budge from their ‘duty’.

Luckily I don’t subscribe to it so I can miss the gate meetings and weekly videos and letters in the post. The CWU basically ring a bell and shout “the end is nigh! Only by joining us can you be saved!”

I think If they actually did what they are good at and stopped with petty insults at the management and the twitter feed that seems to be run by a 13 year old, it would be better for all of us.

The thing is they rile everyone up, come out with empty slogans and trip over their own feet.

They should focus on the deal and not sound bites.

So filthy i take it you believe that RM have behaved impeccably? In the interest of fairness perhaps you should also mention the other board on the workplace wall and the stuff it has on it, big brother is watching you stuff and 1984 style dictat that gets everybodies backs up. Anti-union slander should always be balanced with anti-management slander to see both sides not just yours. Look i know you think the unions s**t we all get it!! Just try to be balanced in your argument otherwise we will all think you are a RM stooge and i am sure you arent.

I keep saying most of the blame for the current situation is at the door of RM.
I haven’t seen that BigBrother is watching you although it sounds more like a CWU poster to me. The only Royal Mail posters in my office are of happy people scanning properly and other people delighted they are receiving junk mail.

But either way, the union need to be better than turning the office into a schoolyard scuffle with a war zone mentality.

RM were always going to head this way once 2013 happened. All that’s happening now is RM are shouting “my dads better than your dad!” And the union reply “yeah well your mums fat.”

Iv never known so many people in my office (and on here) become so angry with the CWU as they are now. I don’t think the union have helped themselves in the past year at all and now the toxic environmental is at tipping point.

Personally I think the union posters and tweets should be of facts and figures that show that RM are at fault. All of the time. When RM come out with a statement the union should reply with the facts that disprove that statement. Plaster it everywhere. You don’t need slogans and banners for it.

The parliamentary committee meeting worked because RM had no answers to the question and they all looked like incompetent liars. That’s the approach the union need.

This solidarity and brothers in arms and your union needs you stuff is just empty. The insult throwing only suits one side and it ain’t the union.

I was sure the big dancing postman pat on the London picket lines was gonna get us a deal

[thefox]

Just Googled quickly and found something interesting:

From: https://business-insolvency-helpline.co ... istration/

During this process, the administrator is required to prioritise the payment of certain debts, such as employee wages and benefits, over other unsecured debts. This means that employees of the company should continue to be paid as normal, unless the administrator determines that there are insufficient funds available to meet these obligations. It is worth noting that the administrator has the power to make changes to the terms of employment, such as reducing wages or altering working hours, in order to try to improve the financial position of the company.

That bit that I've highlighted makes me wonder if the board want RM to enter administration as could that give them carte blanche to force through loads of stuff like Sunday working not being voluntary, all delivery staff needing to be able to drive. Staff having no choice if loaned to another office, all allowances reduced or gone? There's probably other stuff that they would like to force through if they could

You Don't seriously think they want to go into administration just to get changes forced through do you.

With the way they've acted over the last few months I wouldn't put it past them

I get that but think its a bit extreme even for those scumbags

[SpacePhoenix]

Just Googled quickly and found something interesting:

From: https://business-insolvency-helpline.co ... istration/

During this process, the administrator is required to prioritise the payment of certain debts, such as employee wages and benefits, over other unsecured debts. This means that employees of the company should continue to be paid as normal, unless the administrator determines that there are insufficient funds available to meet these obligations. It is worth noting that the administrator has the power to make changes to the terms of employment, such as reducing wages or altering working hours, in order to try to improve the financial position of the company.

That bit that I've highlighted makes me wonder if the board want RM to enter administration as could that give them carte blanche to force through loads of stuff like Sunday working not being voluntary, all delivery staff needing to be able to drive. Staff having no choice if loaned to another office, all allowances reduced or gone? There's probably other stuff that they would like to force through if they could

You Don't seriously think they want to go into administration just to get changes forced through do you.

With the way they've acted over the last few months I wouldn't put it past them

I get that but think its a bit extreme even for those scumbags

Not really, it breaks us as they can rip up our contracts and it probably gets the USO reduced or scrapped at the same time

[norris9]

Royal Mail are up to some dirty dirty tricks.

Thompson and McAuley.... the biggest trolls on the planet.