RMCtv : Message from Ricky McAulay: CWU talks update

[k979aaa]

They were denied this democratic right.

What right? Our democracy works on the structure of electing an MP to make decisions for you. They don't refer to you every time they have a decision to make.

Well 365 MP's backed a lier in the last election if I need advice I would look elsewhere.

[Spartacus]

Till the whole rotten lot at the top is gone there is no deal that can be done or trusted to be abided by it's like sending Neville chamberlain to Munich and ask for peace talks and comes back with a piece of paper saying that we have peace in our time all 11 Months of it. The people at the top of ROYALMAIL are more sinister than those that led the German People to it's ultimate defeat in 1945 the parallels of how you manipulate people is so uncanny it has to be seen to be believed OPEN YOUR EYES!

You should probably re-think that post and maybe do a bit of editing.

[k979aaa]

Till the whole rotten lot at the top is gone there is no deal that can be done or trusted to be abided by it's like sending Neville chamberlain to Munich and ask for peace talks and comes back with a piece of paper saying that we have peace in our time all 11 Months of it. The people at the top of ROYALMAIL are more sinister than those that led the German People to it's ultimate defeat in 1945 the parallels of how you manipulate people is so uncanny it has to be seen to be believed OPEN YOUR EYES!

You should probably re-think that post and maybe do a bit of editing.

Not doing so no names mentioned but the whole direction of the company is a top down dictatorship even some managers agree with me it is appalling how the workers are are being treated in the name of PROFIT!

[Spartacus]

Till the whole rotten lot at the top is gone there is no deal that can be done or trusted to be abided by it's like sending Neville chamberlain to Munich and ask for peace talks and comes back with a piece of paper saying that we have peace in our time all 11 Months of it. The people at the top of ROYALMAIL are more sinister than those that led the German People to it's ultimate defeat in 1945 the parallels of how you manipulate people is so uncanny it has to be seen to be believed OPEN YOUR EYES!

You should probably re-think that post and maybe do a bit of editing.

Not doing so no names mentioned but the whole direction of the company is a top down dictatorship even some managers agree with me it is appalling how the workers are are being treated in the name of PROFIT!

You've compared the RM board to Nazi Germany, some perspective is needed, this helps no one.

I hate the fuc**rs as much as anyone, but let's have some restraint.

[k979aaa]

Till the whole rotten lot at the top is gone there is no deal that can be done or trusted to be abided by it's like sending Neville chamberlain to Munich and ask for peace talks and comes back with a piece of paper saying that we have peace in our time all 11 Months of it. The people at the top of ROYALMAIL are more sinister than those that led the German People to it's ultimate defeat in 1945 the parallels of how you manipulate people is so uncanny it has to be seen to be believed OPEN YOUR EYES!

You should probably re-think that post and maybe do a bit of editing.

Not doing so no names mentioned but the whole direction of the company is a top down dictatorship even some managers agree with me it is appalling how the workers are are being treated in the name of PROFIT!

You've compared the RM board to Nazi Germany, some perspective is needed, this helps no one.

I hate the fuc**rs as much as anyone, but let's have some restraint.

I did not say their policy's but their propaganda and trust and demise and manipulation of the facts!

[Acca Dacca]

Till the whole rotten lot at the top is gone there is no deal that can be done or trusted to be abided by it's like sending Neville chamberlain to Munich and ask for peace talks and comes back with a piece of paper saying that we have peace in our time all 11 Months of it. The people at the top of ROYALMAIL are more sinister than those that led the German People to it's ultimate defeat in 1945 the parallels of how you manipulate people is so uncanny it has to be seen to be believed OPEN YOUR EYES!

You should probably re-think that post and maybe do a bit of editing.

Not doing so no names mentioned but the whole direction of the company is a top down dictatorship even some managers agree with me it is appalling how the workers are are being treated in the name of PROFIT!

You've compared the RM board to Nazi Germany, some perspective is needed, this helps no one.

I hate the fuc**rs as much as anyone, but let's have some restraint.

I did not say their policy's but their propaganda and trust and demise and manipulation of the facts!

Drawing parallels between their use of propaganda is one thing, stating they are more sinister than a leadership who murdered millions of innocent people is out of order

[k979aaa]

Till the whole rotten lot at the top is gone there is no deal that can be done or trusted to be abided by it's like sending Neville chamberlain to Munich and ask for peace talks and comes back with a piece of paper saying that we have peace in our time all 11 Months of it. The people at the top of ROYALMAIL are more sinister than those that led the German People to it's ultimate defeat in 1945 the parallels of how you manipulate people is so uncanny it has to be seen to be believed OPEN YOUR EYES!

You should probably re-think that post and maybe do a bit of editing.

Not doing so no names mentioned but the whole direction of the company is a top down dictatorship even some managers agree with me it is appalling how the workers are are being treated in the name of PROFIT!

You've compared the RM board to Nazi Germany, some perspective is needed, this helps no one.

I hate the fuc**rs as much as anyone, but let's have some restraint.

I did not say their policy's but their propaganda and trust and demise and manipulation of the facts!

Drawing parallels between their use of propaganda is one thing, stating they are more sinister than a leadership who murdered millions of innocent people is out of order

Not in my book they are murdering the postal service which was in place from 1516 the parallels are comparable this is not a game kids anymore it is incumbent upon us all to fight against this or repent and acquiesce to the want and greed of the few while the many suffer in silence!

[walthmstowman]

Till the whole rotten lot at the top is gone there is no deal that can be done or trusted to be abided by it's like sending Neville chamberlain to Munich and ask for peace talks and comes back with a piece of paper saying that we have peace in our time all 11 Months of it. The people at the top of ROYALMAIL are more sinister than those that led the German People to it's ultimate defeat in 1945 the parallels of how you manipulate people is so uncanny it has to be seen to be believed OPEN YOUR EYES!

I agree and that's why I don't think we'll ever get an acceptable deal . I can see the future being more EA taking place peppered with further industrial action for months . Thanks to boardroom management incompetence I think this company is now on its last legs .

[Acca Dacca]

Till the whole rotten lot at the top is gone there is no deal that can be done or trusted to be abided by it's like sending Neville chamberlain to Munich and ask for peace talks and comes back with a piece of paper saying that we have peace in our time all 11 Months of it. The people at the top of ROYALMAIL are more sinister than those that led the German People to it's ultimate defeat in 1945 the parallels of how you manipulate people is so uncanny it has to be seen to be believed OPEN YOUR EYES!

You should probably re-think that post and maybe do a bit of editing.

Not doing so no names mentioned but the whole direction of the company is a top down dictatorship even some managers agree with me it is appalling how the workers are are being treated in the name of PROFIT!

You've compared the RM board to Nazi Germany, some perspective is needed, this helps no one.

I hate the fuc**rs as much as anyone, but let's have some restraint.

I did not say their policy's but their propaganda and trust and demise and manipulation of the facts!

Well you had your chance to take it back I guess its on you if you want to double down on it
Drawing parallels between their use of propaganda is one thing, stating they are more sinister than a leadership who murdered millions of innocent people is out of order

Not in my book they are murdering the postal service which was in place from 1516 the parallels are comparable this is not a game kids anymore it is incumbent upon us all to fight against this or repent and acquiesce to the want and greed of the few while the many suffer in silence!

Well I guess you had your chance to take it back rather than double down on it, thats on you

[Redshadow]

Just shut the place down,let me have redundency whatever thats worth,refund my shares and let me have a rest, and time to find new work so I can put this whole rubbish exhausting job behind me like a bad dream
Wasted 20yrs here and quite frankly I don't care about any of it anymore

[LouBarlow]

People who are hoping for the company going bust and into administration need to be careful what they are wishing for.
A lot of people have said they still have shares. Pensions will no longer be added to. Contracts will be torn up and rewritten and started again, probably without a union.

Exactly. Which is why striking now is beyond reckless. We should have been given the opportunity to vote on the previous offered deal.

If most people were happy to accept the previous offered deal then we wouldnt have voted to strike again would we? Use your brain.

Maybe you should take your own advice. My ballot paper didn’t say ‘vote for the deal’ or ‘vote to strike’. Did yours?

What were we voting to strike against?

If you were happy with the “best and final offer” then why would you vote to continue strike action?

Still not using your brain Lou

Because the union were not selling the deal as being actually the best we were likely to get. They falsely and recklessly implied that we would secure an improved deal with renewed strike action, when the reality was exactly what RM were saying all along - that this deal was the best we were ever going to get. They said that then, and now the union have seen the finances, they agree.

[Acca Dacca]

People who are hoping for the company going bust and into administration need to be careful what they are wishing for.
A lot of people have said they still have shares. Pensions will no longer be added to. Contracts will be torn up and rewritten and started again, probably without a union.

Exactly. Which is why striking now is beyond reckless. We should have been given the opportunity to vote on the previous offered deal.

If most people were happy to accept the previous offered deal then we wouldnt have voted to strike again would we? Use your brain.

Maybe you should take your own advice. My ballot paper didn’t say ‘vote for the deal’ or ‘vote to strike’. Did yours?

What were we voting to strike against?

If you were happy with the “best and final offer” then why would you vote to continue strike action?

Still not using your brain Lou

Because the union were not selling the deal as being actually the best we were likely to get. They falsely and recklessly implied that we would secure an improved deal with renewed strike action, when the reality was exactly what RM were saying all along - that this deal was the best we were ever going to get. They said that then, and now the union have seen the finances, they agree.

How do you think a vote on the 'best and final offer' would have went in December then without the supposed hindsight of March 23?

There was no point putting that offer to the membership in December, it was guaranteed to be rejected - RM pushed for it to be put to us because it meant the strike action in December would have to stop to conduct the process

You are arguing that we should have had a vote on a deal that only now you are saying is acceptable in hindsight. Most did not find it acceptable in December 22. Many people still dont.

Putting it to a vote in December would have served no purpose other than confirming what the union already knew at the time - that we found it unacceptable - and Royal Mail getting their wish of strike action stopped.

if every single offer and tweak from RM had to be put to us to vote on then strike action would be impossible - RM could just tweak an offer everytime action was called and if you had your way, it'd have to be put to us in a vote and strike cancelled - even if the union knew it was unacceptable

Thats why the process is what it is

[chrisj]

But instead of just getting on with it and appealing to the better nature of the employer and be willing to work with them instead of being adversarial...

Things will never have got this bad if they had not been too pig-headed or believed their own importance... The deal was there in October - there were small improvements but it was obvious it will not be bettered as such...

The Revision that they now agreed should go ahead but with fast- tracked dispute Resolution will also not have been so draconian if they had not withdrawn support.

The CWU signed a joint statement and now moaning about the Revision and they agreed the state of the finance (something that they were told and asked to see the books ages ago).

They have now included suspended Reps into a national negotiations that has been going on for 11 months. Their Comms guy even stated that he makes no apologies for defending innocent members being persecuted - innocent?

If they are innocent, then they will not even need the Union to defend them - any industrial tribunal will do!

They talk about updates but they do not give any real updates. Even the talks with the Reps was pointless...

Will a good Union allow it's employer to go bust and members lose jobs? Martin Walsh's update and write-ups gives us a good glimpse but then Dave Ward came along and announced giving strikes notice like a petulant child ...

[k979aaa]

Till the whole rotten lot at the top is gone there is no deal that can be done or trusted to be abided by it's like sending Neville chamberlain to Munich and ask for peace talks and comes back with a piece of paper saying that we have peace in our time all 11 Months of it. The people at the top of ROYALMAIL are more sinister than those that led the German People to it's ultimate defeat in 1945 the parallels of how you manipulate people is so uncanny it has to be seen to be believed OPEN YOUR EYES!

I agree and that's why I don't think we'll ever get an acceptable deal . I can see the future being more EA taking place peppered with further industrial action for months . Thanks to boardroom management incompetence I think this company is now on its last legs .

Gross mismanagement I would say it for us all how we work and when we work and how hard we work end of the day we are not slaves!

[k979aaa]

But instead of just getting on with it and appealing to the better nature of the employer and be willing to work with them instead of being adversarial...

Things will never have got this bad if they had not been too pig-headed or believed their own importance... The deal was there in October - there were small improvements but it was obvious it will not be bettered as such...

The Revision that they now agreed should go ahead but with fast- tracked dispute Resolution will also not have been so draconian if they had not withdrawn support.

The CWU signed a joint statement and now moaning about the Revision and they agreed the state of the finance (something that they were told and asked to see the books ages ago).

They have now included suspended Reps into a national negotiations that has been going on for 11 months. Their Comms guy even stated that he makes no apologies for defending innocent members being persecuted - innocent?

If they are innocent, then they will not even need the Union to defend them - any industrial tribunal will do!

They talk about updates but they do not give any real updates. Even the talks with the Reps was pointless...

Will a good Union allow it's employer to go bust and members lose jobs? Martin Walsh's update and write-ups gives us a good glimpse but then Dave Ward came along and announced giving strikes notice like a petulant child ...

It is not the unions biding that the company goes bust but the incompetence that runs this once great service and profitable company into the ground we have s**t leadership sooner everyone learns it they will not follow the orders dictated from above we have free minds and can speak on here try doing that at work!