LTB 080/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP DISPUTE - NATIONAL ONLINE BRIEFING

[1617mel]

If thousands of us as it is stated on these discussion pages are finding it difficult to finish on time at this time of year, ie over time dailly, how are most workers expected to Finnish" early in summer" and "later in winter" these annualised hrs.., that are expected to be implemented, are going to be a great concern to us all

[redlen]

As well as Annualized hours over the year you could have Flexi-Time during the week.
Think of it as shorts and longs.

But that is just speculation on my part

[sixfoottwo]

All this talk about annualised hrs wouldn't work in our office, nobody finishes early at any time since the revisions!

[hans solo]

As well as Annualized hours over the year you could have Flexi-Time during the week.
Think of it as shorts and longs.

But that is just speculation on my part

So when we go over our time in the summer do we do less in the busier winter months
Simple question

[smok3y666]

If thousands of us as it is stated on these discussion pages are finding it difficult to finish on time at this time of year, ie over time dailly, how are most workers expected to Finnish" early in summer" and "later in winter" these annualised hrs.., that are expected to be implemented, are going to be a great concern to us all

I asked a similar question to one of my managers and was told "we'll worry about that when it gets here". Our revision has been done based on the call rate for the quieter time of the year hence why I asked the question about what happens when it gets busy. I told my manager they was "winging it" which went down well.

[clashcityrocker]

Are talks continuing over the weekend?

[k979aaa]

Are talks continuing over the weekend?

Yes but agreement is far away and if they have not done so in 1 or 2 months what hope for two or three days? And in any case this whole thing needs be done by April if not bigger s**t will happen.

[aiden01]

Are talks continuing over the weekend?

Yes but agreement is far away and if they have not done so in 1 or 2 months what hope for two or three days? And in any case this whole thing needs be done by April if not bigger s**t will happen.

How do you know? 1 or 2 months they
have been talking for months on end.

[postslippete]

Striking will do no good whatsoever if the past yr is anything to go by. All it's done is weaken the companies finances further thereby making any deal on increased pay or less change impossible. Thompson and his cronies in parliament have just made it worse too, as now the general public know what a shocking service we are providing, the regulator will probably have to hand out big fines.
I suggest anyone who thinks RM is feeding BS to them about the financial state of the company should just look around. Open your eyes, look at the state of people's uniform who can't get replacements, the state of our vans. Does this company look like it's thriving? Yes they paid a dividend last yr in response to the profit we made the yr before, that's what private companies do. It's compensation for risking your capital buying shares in a business. Also Thompson's bonus was linked to shareholder value, so that was maybe a deciding factor too. Anyone holding shares now can say goodbye to future divis for the foreseeable .
I think it's entirely possible that the company will bring the administrators in if we go to strike. An alternative is a cash raise via a rights issue but shareholders would never go for that without a total remodel of our business including ditching the USO and along with it 30-40,000 jobs. This would probably be the best way forward for the company but as of yet, the USO stands.
There is literally no good way out of this to make everyone happy. That's why it's still going on. My gut feeling is it will carry on until there is no business.

I think you've answered your own question


After all these revisions have taken place recently are we still losing over a million quid a day?? We would be totally screwed if we were, especially as we are systematically failing the USO and parcels with duties not gone out for days. Its as bad now as it was when we coming back to the office after a days strike when we were NOT getting paid. And tbh I haven't really seen that much lost business either as both parcels and letters have been busy in the last few weeks.

And if you open your eyes you would realise that the only way RM know how to make a profit is to continually cut costs - they make duties bigger or give you more lapsing, the vans are old and knackered because they won't pay the money to get an electric fleet, there have been overtime bans in some offices, they haven't allowed us new uniforms for months etc etc.

However the billions that the company have spent on the super-hubs are supposed to be the game changer. It will mean new ways of working and the company want a resourcing model that seems to be based on Amazon and the Union will never accept this. Royal Mail desperately want rid of the USO, they want rid of the Union, and my gut feeling, they want rid of many of us because these hubs will lead to job losses and a largely part-time workforce.

[redlen]

Personally think Royal Mail has all the infrastructure in place now for full automation. That includes the PSM with walk sorting packets

That is what this dispute is really about and will lead to major employee head count reduction

[CamPostie]

It depends on what your current contracted hours are

And as stated previously, 40 hours a week was just an example and a full time employee

As long as 40 hours a week is averaged out over the financial year there is no issue

They have been planning this for years hence annual leave now done on contracted hours and not days of attendance

I think that has much more to do with the number of people hired on shorter than 37 hour contracts.

[sweepster70]

It depends on what your current contracted hours are

And as stated previously, 40 hours a week was just an example and a full time employee

As long as 40 hours a week is averaged out over the financial year there is no issue

They have been planning this for years hence annual leave now done on contracted hours and not days of attendance

I think that has much more to do with the number of people hired on shorter than 37 hour contracts.

Network have just move over to this. It's just daft as we have different start and finish times and different hours every week.

[k979aaa]

What fuckery is this it is if the people at the top don't want to know or don't give a flying f**k!

[k979aaa]

What fuckery is this it is if the people at the top don't want to know or don't give a flying f**k!

[theonlywayisusk]

Striking after Easter is a joke the CWU should have announced dates last week (14 days notice) we could have announced Thursday before good friday and the saturday after plus the tuesday after easter monday which would have given us a nice break poor again by our union

Oh give it up , they rode out Xmas for Christ sake , strike dates are irrelevant.

Strikes are the only option we've got without a fresh ballot

I agree, I’m talking about people moaning about the dates of the strike, it makes no difference,he’s clearly moaning because he’d like a nice break over Easter, pathetic.

chickenwittle you talk some s**t to be fair mate. We are striking on days here and there, great we are all behind it. The point claystones is making is we are striking and losing money so why not make it work for us. OK we will lose money but the point is maximum impact on them and a 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 days strike hurts them massively, then us and our members who have and are losing out on pay get a little something back in the way of an extra day off break over bank holidays / long weekends. It keeps spirits up and the fight alive in us. Wake up