LTB 080/23 - ROYAL MAIL GROUP DISPUTE - NATIONAL ONLINE BRIEFING

[Acca Dacca]

Just a point on annualized hours

Where is it stated it will only be a few hours a week extra working at peak times and not 52 weeks of the year

Just seeking clarification and confirmation

Because that would be more contract hrs wouldn't it. If they want you to work longer days at peak times of the yr, they have to knock that off on slack times of the yr to get an average of your contract hrs.

Contracted hours would not change

An example being you could work six hours a day in the summer when traffic is light, and 10 hours a day in the winter when heavy with a 40 hour contract

You have answered your own question why it wouldnt and couldn’t be 52 weeks of the year we work extra

[redlen]

And why not 52 weeks of the year as contracted hours would not change?

And a 40 hour week was just an example

[rambo1]

Just a point on annualized hours

Where is it stated it will only be a few hours a week extra working at peak times and not 52 weeks of the year

Just seeking clarification and confirmation

Because that would be more contract hrs wouldn't it. If they want you to work longer days at peak times of the yr, they have to knock that off on slack times of the yr to get an average of your contract hrs.

Contracted hours would not change

An example being you could work six hours a day in the summer when traffic is light, and 10 hours a day in the winter when heavy with a 40 hour contract

Redlen I don't get you??? You seemed confused by the annualzed hrs coz you mentioned 52 weeks a yr longer days, so I explained it and now you're trying to explain to me what I just explained to you!

[Pidleypoo]

Just a point on annualized hours

Where is it stated it will only be a few hours a week extra working at peak times and not 52 weeks of the year

Just seeking clarification and confirmation

Because that would be more contract hrs wouldn't it. If they want you to work longer days at peak times of the yr, they have to knock that off on slack times of the yr to get an average of your contract hrs.

Contracted hours would not change

An example being you could work six hours a day in the summer when traffic is light, and 10 hours a day in the winter when heavy with a 40 hour contract

What if you can’t do that ?

[redlen]

Please explain your reasoning

You are contracted 40 hours a a week over a 52 week period
Longer contracted hours in the winter and shorter contracted hours in the summer, but still averages 40 hours a week

[1617mel]

The annualised hours , a sceptic topic, I imagine that all walks will be forced to complete every day, no cutting of, this is what RM want, and before the barrage of reasonable arguments about this, I have no doubt this will be implemented, not maybe initially but it will be brought in.

[Acca Dacca]

And why not 52 weeks of the year as contracted hours would not change?

And a 40 hour week was just an example

Because for you to do longer weeks you would need shorter weeks

So how could you do longer weeks 52 weeks of the year?

[redlen]

Annualized hours will replace the 40 hour contractual term over a five day week

The 40 hours a week will be averaged out over 52 weeks of the year

So the original 40 hours contracted will not change

[Acca Dacca]

Annualized hours will replace the 40 hour contractual term over a five day week

The 40 hours a week will be averaged out over 52 weeks of the year

So the original 40 hours contracted will not change

Nobody is on 40 hours a week. The new proposed full time contracts are less hours but based on the 40 hour week rate rather the higher hourly full time rate for 37 ( since full timers kept same pay for less hours ) that current full timers went down to

No matter, spreading hours over the year still results in doing less hours some weeks and more others. So how can you be doing extra 52 weeks of the year?

[redlen]

It depends on what your current contracted hours are

And as stated previously, 40 hours a week was just an example and a full time employee

As long as 40 hours a week is averaged out over the financial year there is no issue

They have been planning this for years hence annual leave now done on contracted hours and not days of attendance

[post6675]

This reps reinstated nonsense HAS to stop. Rep suspensions should not get in the way of talks or a deal. The union should help any members being suspended. This reps situation should be dealt with seperately. Independant reviews seem fair enough. If they have done somehting wrong then goodbye. Stop letting the reps situation get in the way of talk FFS

[redlen]

Thing is reps disciplinary measures are done outside of normal disciplinary procedure with a national Appeals Panel.

As you say it should have no place in the current dispute and only the contents of the Ballot paper

[SpacePhoenix]

They have been planning this for years hence annual leave now done on contracted hours and not days of attendance

Annual leave started being done in hours because that's how PSP does it

[redlen]

And yet the Working Time Regulations say days of attendance as in 5.6 weeks with annual leave

[1617mel]

If thousands of us as it is stated on these discussion pages are finding it difficult to finish on time at this time of year, ie over time dailly, how are most workers expected to Finnish" early in summer" and "later in winter" these annualised hrs.., that are expected to be implemented, are going to be a great concern to us all