Mass exodus

[Acca Dacca]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

Your right to some point ,its people who have the power ,you can move jobs to higher pay and conditions anytime with the buoyant jobs market now ,companies who pay lower get less productivity the ones who pay more get higher productivity,its down to the companies to find the workers and us to choose the best ones for us,but unions still have a point in the workplace to protect the vulnerable and there is some in our office who get more than their fare share of abuse from management,ive stepped in a few times when ive heard it but now walk around with a target on my back which doesn't bother me i find it quite exhillarating it makes going into work more exiting calling out the abusive behaviour of the dimdoms.

Yep. When you don’t get into a confrontation with a manager but instead put him in his place with how procedure should be, it’s a lot more fun than coming into work with anger and rage ready to explode.

Who do you think agreed those procedures that management need to follow?

The union. They, along with RM, came up with the procedures and terms and conditions.
But when RM begin to bully it’s staff and the union are nowhere to be seen, it’s best you know how to defend yourself.

So your happy to take advantage of the protections the union has got for you but sit and badmouth them , cross their picket lines and not put a penny in yourself

[hans solo]

It’s only a job to him because RM have been downgrading the quality of staff they employ for years now
It wasn’t just a job it was an occupation a career
When I joined you had a suit shirt tie shoes the lot
Postmen we’re on equal terms with policemen and firemen
It’s people like him that have brought us to this point
If all he can see is a job and£ signs
And it’s not just about the union
It’s community bet his customers would love to hear his pish

[FilthyBloke]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

Your right to some point ,its people who have the power ,you can move jobs to higher pay and conditions anytime with the buoyant jobs market now ,companies who pay lower get less productivity the ones who pay more get higher productivity,its down to the companies to find the workers and us to choose the best ones for us,but unions still have a point in the workplace to protect the vulnerable and there is some in our office who get more than their fare share of abuse from management,ive stepped in a few times when ive heard it but now walk around with a target on my back which doesn't bother me i find it quite exhillarating it makes going into work more exiting calling out the abusive behaviour of the dimdoms.

Yep. When you don’t get into a confrontation with a manager but instead put him in his place with how procedure should be, it’s a lot more fun than coming into work with anger and rage ready to explode.

Who do you think agreed those procedures that management need to follow?

The union. They, along with RM, came up with the procedures and terms and conditions.
But when RM begin to bully it’s staff and the union are nowhere to be seen, it’s best you know how to defend yourself.

So your happy to take advantage of the protections the union has got for you but sit and badmouth them , cross their picket lines and not put a penny in yourself

The union and RM came up with the terms. Not just the union. Only one of them pays my wages.
Their picket lines have nothing to do with me. I don’t fall for empty slogans like some.
The union was once strong, but its now weak. It looks clueless and has nothing but sound bites to argue with.
I don’t pay into them and they don’t represent me. I agree with some of what they say but not other things.

The company is in financial peril and the union decided to go on strike. I won’t support that. It seems now that the penny has dropped though and the union realise they are stuck in a corner and have to try and make any deal look like a victory.

I’m happy with my job. Even with the proposed changes. I’m not against change. My mental health is fine and I don’t need to look for another job. But if I do, it’ll be a job that’s more suited for my own needs.

[FilthyBloke]

It’s only a job to him because RM have been downgrading the quality of staff they employ for years now
It wasn’t just a job it was an occupation a career
When I joined you had a suit shirt tie shoes the lot
Postmen we’re on equal terms with policemen and firemen
It’s people like him that have brought us to this point
If all he can see is a job and£ signs
And it’s not just about the union
It’s community bet his customers would love to hear his pish

Yep. It’s just about the job and money for me. And it’s 2012 that has got us to this point.
You think we should be on equal pay as fireman and policeman? Ok. Personally I don’t.

[scoobydo79]

Weird thread, always been a high turnover over of staff in all my years in the job , deal or no deal I’m sure that will continue.

Exactly. RM is a big employer. Lots of people leave for something else or retire. It’s no big deal . Me personally I started in the 1980s with a big bunch of school friends who also started then. One guy encouraged a lot of us to join and so a big number of us will be leaving soon.

[chrisdouglas]

If the CWU actually get round to agreeing a deal I will assess my situation when it comes to it.. Already feeling the pressure in the CSP with deliveries not being covered and the arguably not so nice demographic of the public coming in every day for post and items not delivered.. its becoming untenable..

[scotchy1962]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

Your right to some point ,its people who have the power ,you can move jobs to higher pay and conditions anytime with the buoyant jobs market now ,companies who pay lower get less productivity the ones who pay more get higher productivity,its down to the companies to find the workers and us to choose the best ones for us,but unions still have a point in the workplace to protect the vulnerable and there is some in our office who get more than their fare share of abuse from management,ive stepped in a few times when ive heard it but now walk around with a target on my back which doesn't bother me i find it quite exhillarating it makes going into work more exiting calling out the abusive behaviour of the dimdoms.

Yep. When you don’t get into a confrontation with a manager but instead put him in his place with how procedure should be, it’s a lot more fun than coming into work with anger and rage ready to explode.

Who do you think agreed those procedures that management need to follow?

The union. They, along with RM, came up with the procedures and terms and conditions.
But when RM begin to bully it’s staff and the union are nowhere to be seen, it’s best you know how to defend yourself.

So your happy to take advantage of the protections the union has got for you but sit and badmouth them , cross their picket lines and not put a penny in yourself

The union and RM came up with the terms. Not just the union. Only one of them pays my wages.
Their picket lines have nothing to do with me. I don’t fall for empty slogans like some.
The union was once strong, but its now weak. It looks clueless and has nothing but sound bites to argue with.
I don’t pay into them and they don’t represent me. I agree with some of what they say but not other things.

The company is in financial peril and the union decided to go on strike. I won’t support that. It seems now that the penny has dropped though and the union realise they are stuck in a corner and have to try and make any deal look like a victory.

I’m happy with my job. Even with the proposed changes. I’m not against change. My mental health is fine and I don’t need to look for another job. But if I do, it’ll be a job that’s more suited for my own needs.

Ah filthyman a man who provides a good solid basis for all of his points and then stands by them, good for him. I only have a problem with the RM are in financial peril and the union decided to go on strike statement. You do realise that the financial peril is firstly not of our doing and secondly nothing to do with the union, i am afraid that one can be laid squarely at RMs door, the strike was called at the behest of the members to attempt to get a reasonable offer for all of us, you included, then RM decided to try to break the union and thereby made their financial position so much worse. I am not sure about anyone else but i think that makes it the fault of RM and the top management and the board should be seriously looked at by somebody as they are not the smartest bunch but they are still very money rich at the cost of the company finances. Makes you wonder!

[redlen]

But was it wise to call a strike knowing the business was in financial trouble with the pay claim. Knowing that calling a strike would tear up the legal protections in the Agenda for Growth Agreement?

As soon as that happened Royal Mail went nuclear attacking terms and conditions knowing there was nothing stopping them in law?

[derricksmyth]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

Your right to some point ,its people who have the power ,you can move jobs to higher pay and conditions anytime with the buoyant jobs market now ,companies who pay lower get less productivity the ones who pay more get higher productivity,its down to the companies to find the workers and us to choose the best ones for us,but unions still have a point in the workplace to protect the vulnerable and there is some in our office who get more than their fare share of abuse from management,ive stepped in a few times when ive heard it but now walk around with a target on my back which doesn't bother me i find it quite exhillarating it makes going into work more exiting calling out the abusive behaviour of the dimdoms.

Yep. When you don’t get into a confrontation with a manager but instead put him in his place with how procedure should be, it’s a lot more fun than coming into work with anger and rage ready to explode.

Who do you think agreed those procedures that management need to follow?

The union. They, along with RM, came up with the procedures and terms and conditions.
But when RM begin to bully it’s staff and the union are nowhere to be seen, it’s best you know how to defend yourself.

So your happy to take advantage of the protections the union has got for you but sit and badmouth them , cross their picket lines and not put a penny in yourself

The union and RM came up with the terms. Not just the union. Only one of them pays my wages.
Their picket lines have nothing to do with me. I don’t fall for empty slogans like some.
The union was once strong, but its now weak. It looks clueless and has nothing but sound bites to argue with.
I don’t pay into them and they don’t represent me. I agree with some of what they say but not other things.

The company is in financial peril and the union decided to go on strike. I won’t support that. It seems now that the penny has dropped though and the union realise they are stuck in a corner and have to try and make any deal look like a victory.

I’m happy with my job. Even with the proposed changes. I’m not against change. My mental health is fine and I don’t need to look for another job. But if I do, it’ll be a job that’s more suited for my own needs.

Ah filthyman a man who provides a good solid basis for all of his points and then stands by them, good for him. I only have a problem with the RM are in financial peril and the union decided to go on strike statement. You do realise that the financial peril is firstly not of our doing and secondly nothing to do with the union, i am afraid that one can be laid squarely at RMs door, the strike was called at the behest of the members to attempt to get a reasonable offer for all of us, you included, then RM decided to try to break the union and thereby made their financial position so much worse. I am not sure about anyone else but i think that makes it the fault of RM and the top management and the board should be seriously looked at by somebody as they are not the smartest bunch but they are still very money rich at the cost of the company finances. Makes you wonder!

Spot on Scotchy

[postieblueshirt]

I'd also like to add without quoting all of the above has anyone outside of a boardroom anyone seen a shred of evidence of this financial peril.Not saying it can't or won't be the case but there's no evidence right now to back this claim...

[arsenalbob]

I’m 67 and intend dying on the job.

[LouBarlow]

I'd also like to add without quoting all of the above has anyone outside of a boardroom anyone seen a shred of evidence of this financial peril.Not saying it can't or won't be the case but there's no evidence right now to back this claim...

Well, the union negotiators for starters.

[redlen]

I'd also like to add without quoting all of the above has anyone outside of a boardroom anyone seen a shred of evidence of this financial peril.Not saying it can't or won't be the case but there's no evidence right now to back this claim...

How about independent audits?

[yubin282]

But was it wise to call a strike knowing the business was in financial trouble with the pay claim. Knowing that calling a strike would tear up the legal protections in the Agenda for Growth Agreement?

As soon as that happened Royal Mail went nuclear attacking terms and conditions knowing there was nothing stopping them in law?

But they'd tell us they were struggling even with record profits. They're Business people (sociopaths).

[richietns]

But was it wise to call a strike knowing the business was in financial trouble with the pay claim. Knowing that calling a strike would tear up the legal protections in the Agenda for Growth Agreement?

As soon as that happened Royal Mail went nuclear attacking terms and conditions knowing there was nothing stopping them in law?

But they'd tell us they were struggling even with record profits. They're Business people (sociopaths).

Just look at how they acted at the select Committee they are on planet profit.