Mass exodus

[timbo1234]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

For someone who has a life outside RM you spend a lot of time on this site talking about it. Strange. As a non union member did you cross the picket lines? If not then fair play. If yes then I am sure you will stick to your principles and refuse any rise that the union wins or donate it to a charity.

[norris9]

People want the backdated pay they are owed and then will leave.

Royal Mail will enjoy replacing them with whoever they want, problem is - will they retain new workers or even old ones on worsening contracts and low pay in a job that may be low skilled, but is extremely exhausting.

[FilthyBloke]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

For someone who has a life outside RM you spend a lot of time on this site talking about it. Strange. As a non union member did you cross the picket lines? If not then fair play. If yes then I am sure you will stick to your principles and refuse any rise that the union wins or donate it to a charity.

I go on a few sites. I like to see what’s happening to the company I work for.

But this thread is about the mass exodus. I’m watching and hearing people leave because they don’t like what the job is turning into. Or because their managers are bullying and harassing them. I’m not in their boat. For nearly two decades I have not been part of the union so I have had to crack on with the managers on my own. I know my rights and my terms and conditions. I’m not being let down by the ‘rep’. I’m not miserable. That’s the main thing. I still actually enjoy my job.

And I keep referring to folk as ‘old boys’ and such because the newbies just treat it like it is, a job. They come and go. But the old ones mope about and say things like “iv only got three years left…” like it’s a prison sentence!
Not willing to do anything more than the bare minimum.
Like I said, they are angry at everything.

For their own Sake they should join the exodus. Things ain’t going back to how they were.

[guardianangel]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

Your right to some point ,its people who have the power ,you can move jobs to higher pay and conditions anytime with the buoyant jobs market now ,companies who pay lower get less productivity the ones who pay more get higher productivity,its down to the companies to find the workers and us to choose the best ones for us,but unions still have a point in the workplace to protect the vulnerable and there is some in our office who get more than their fare share of abuse from management,ive stepped in a few times when ive heard it but now walk around with a target on my back which doesn't bother me i find it quite exhillarating it makes going into work more exiting calling out the abusive behaviour of the dimdoms.

[Shirtbuttons]

Dozens already gone including managers who just walked.

[FilthyBloke]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

Your right to some point ,its people who have the power ,you can move jobs to higher pay and conditions anytime with the buoyant jobs market now ,companies who pay lower get less productivity the ones who pay more get higher productivity,its down to the companies to find the workers and us to choose the best ones for us,but unions still have a point in the workplace to protect the vulnerable and there is some in our office who get more than their fare share of abuse from management,ive stepped in a few times when ive heard it but now walk around with a target on my back which doesn't bother me i find it quite exhillarating it makes going into work more exiting calling out the abusive behaviour of the dimdoms.

Yep. When you don’t get into a confrontation with a manager but instead put him in his place with how procedure should be, it’s a lot more fun than coming into work with anger and rage ready to explode.

[Fooja]

I've got a job interview today for somewhere else. Had enough of the way our office has been messed about. Forcing through changes that simply won't work (unless we somehow loose the USO).

[redlen]

This is the problem with revisions being forced through, yet the CWU remains three wise monkeys.

People have had enough of the inertia and feel abandoned with little or no support. That includes local reps on the shop floor.

It is obvious Royal Mail has the CWU by the ball sack and not giving an inch. It all seems to drag everything out until April 1st, then Armageddon. Hope in error but not looking good.

[Acca Dacca]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

Your right to some point ,its people who have the power ,you can move jobs to higher pay and conditions anytime with the buoyant jobs market now ,companies who pay lower get less productivity the ones who pay more get higher productivity,its down to the companies to find the workers and us to choose the best ones for us,but unions still have a point in the workplace to protect the vulnerable and there is some in our office who get more than their fare share of abuse from management,ive stepped in a few times when ive heard it but now walk around with a target on my back which doesn't bother me i find it quite exhillarating it makes going into work more exiting calling out the abusive behaviour of the dimdoms.

Yep. When you don’t get into a confrontation with a manager but instead put him in his place with how procedure should be, it’s a lot more fun than coming into work with anger and rage ready to explode.

Who do you think agreed those procedures that management need to follow?

[redlen]

But they are not following those agreed procedures and doing their own thing with Impunity

[Shadedpostie]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

Echo this in my office too. They'll talk all they want but that is what it all is, "talk". Majority of the s**t they get away with you wouldn't even even fly with the majority of the other jobs our there. Coming in early then f***ing off home early (some taking PDA home with them to clock out), saying out loud to management you don't want to work with a new guy, list goes on. Grass is as green for them on the other side and they damn will know it.

[lobsterhands]

As I’ve stated in other posts we are a pilot office and are on are 2nd structural revision in the last 2years, none have worked by the way but are still getting implemented.
Since the first revision we have lost over 40 staff including the 8 VR’s going this Saturday, none have been replaced.
Just to some it up what the company thinks about you is yesterday a colleague left on VR ( owed days so left 4 days earlier ) 39 year’s service and didn’t get one single mention from anyone in the office, whether it be Royal Mail, CWU rep, or fellow colleagues he just went.
39 year’s service and treated like that, absolutely eefing disgusting!

To RM you are just a number but why didn't you & some mates organise a few drinks after work

We did ask him and it will happen at a later date, myself and a few others are still going too keep in touch with him, but it was just the fact nobody gave a s**t. Worked nearly his entire working life at RM and not a mention.

[redlen]

The 39 year man that got no recognition from Royal Mail

Did any of his colleagues bring in any munchies etc as a farewell do, guess not?
That just shows people now think of themselves and money, sad times.

[FilthyBloke]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

Your right to some point ,its people who have the power ,you can move jobs to higher pay and conditions anytime with the buoyant jobs market now ,companies who pay lower get less productivity the ones who pay more get higher productivity,its down to the companies to find the workers and us to choose the best ones for us,but unions still have a point in the workplace to protect the vulnerable and there is some in our office who get more than their fare share of abuse from management,ive stepped in a few times when ive heard it but now walk around with a target on my back which doesn't bother me i find it quite exhillarating it makes going into work more exiting calling out the abusive behaviour of the dimdoms.

Yep. When you don’t get into a confrontation with a manager but instead put him in his place with how procedure should be, it’s a lot more fun than coming into work with anger and rage ready to explode.

Who do you think agreed those procedures that management need to follow?

The union. They, along with RM, came up with the procedures and terms and conditions.
But when RM begin to bully it’s staff and the union are nowhere to be seen, it’s best you know how to defend yourself.

[FilthyBloke]

Too many are institutionalised in my office to leave. It’s all they know. A few might go but I genuinely think some have been here so long if they left they would just come crawling back.

Yes it's true that there are many who are 'institutionalised', but they should be supported when they leave. Making scathing comments about them is really not very nice.

Supported how? They are grown men. If they go for another job good luck to them. People often change jobs. Problem in my office is that the mood and atmosphere is so bad it’s clearly affecting posties. Some actually look on the brink. This job isn’t worth that. No job is. But they all have their heads in the sand. Thinking that dragging their heels and not doing more than the bare minimum is somehow gold medal achievement and that they are doing the CWUs bidding. That mentality, everyday, drags you down. This dispute will be left with a deal that they will not like.

And yeah, perhaps the ‘crawling back’ comment was a little harsh. But as a non union man who has nothing to do with them all they have given me is grief (or tried to). It’s still just a job to me. I earn money. I go home. Im happy at work because it’s not my life.

Someone posted the other day that Aldi (I think) are now offering similar money to RM, flexi hours and sick pay etc. and they have an insignificant union. These old boys in my office are angry at the company, angry at the union and angry at everyone who doesn’t look miserable.

I feel for them. Almost.

Echo this in my office too. They'll talk all they want but that is what it all is, "talk". Majority of the s**t they get away with you wouldn't even even fly with the majority of the other jobs our there. Coming in early then f***ing off home early (some taking PDA home with them to clock out), saying out loud to management you don't want to work with a new guy, list goes on. Grass is as green for them on the other side and they damn will know it.

Yeah, there is all that but a lot of it is how the company used to be run. For years and years it was normal to finish at 10 and still be getting by paid until 1. It was actually a dream job. But not a good business model.
But as soon as shareholders got their hands on the company it was only going downhill. A lot of people don’t like it. It’s probably going the other way now so I get the outrage.
But 2012 was the beginning of the end. What we see now is money men wanting more money.
But there are plenty of jobs now with similar pay that don’t come with the stress of this one. For all the people leaving, good luck. For the ones that are finding this job unbearable, I’d suggest looking elsewhere.