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Individual performance blamed !!

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DirtyHarry
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

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They will lie to cover up their gross incompetence.

Let them, then laugh at them, and if they unfairly dismiss you, make them suffer the consequences.
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

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It's interesting that this thread has now moved onto taking breaks which is interesting as many posties still don't take one and still come in early for free!

As for the overrunning procedure,it reflects a bygone era and could do with being brought up to the present day as increased individual workloads from the company have made completing on some days nigh on impossible unless the postie is willing to work overtime.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

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When I left I had a brief one to one with the DOM, asking why I was leaving after over 25 years. During that conversation she said that managers have been told that the the future plans of the business are to do away with duty holders - all employees will be on a "days work for a days pay" basis, allocated by management.

She also said that individual performance will be coming in sooner rather than later. I thought at the time that I would believe it when I saw it as the union would be all over this......but less than 2 years later - it's landing.
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

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priority102 wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 22:09
During that conversation she said that managers have been told that the the future plans of the business are to do away with duty holders - all employees will be on a "days work for a days pay" basis, allocated by management.

She also said that individual performance will be coming in sooner rather than later. I thought at the time that I would believe it when I saw it as the union would be all over this......but less than 2 years later - it's landing.
In MCs you get moved around the different work areas depending on how much work each work area has got. Obviously for the mech and the SD locker only those who are trained can do them. I wonder if they plan on "dynamic lapsing" where the walks that get lapsed will be different each day depending on work load for the walks
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

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priority102 wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 22:09
she said that managers have been told that the the future plans of the business are to do away with duty holders - all employees will be on a "days work for a days pay" basis, allocated by management.
Which, in fairness, is how most other businesses work. So long as you're trained in the necessary function, you get used in whatever function is required, be it day by day, hour by hour, whatever. That doesn't mean no structure exists, and generally speaking in decently run businesses, you can expect some degree of stability.

Of course we all know Royal Mail is run on a 'deal with this minute's crisis' basis, and managers tend to make very short term decisions, which are often quite poor.

But if everyone was essentially a reserve, then it might encourage longer serving staff to try and make sure that reserves get treat fairly (Saturday's off, etc etc) rather than just saying 'Oh well, in xx years you'll have a duty'/'we all had to go through it' and other such unhelpful tosh.
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

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:thumbup
DGH wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 06:22
priority102 wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 22:09
she said that managers have been told that the the future plans of the business are to do away with duty holders - all employees will be on a "days work for a days pay" basis, allocated by management.
Which, in fairness, is how most other businesses work. So long as you're trained in the necessary function, you get used in whatever function is required, be it day by day, hour by hour, whatever. That doesn't mean no structure exists, and generally speaking in decently run businesses, you can expect some degree of stability.

Of course we all know Royal Mail is run on a 'deal with this minute's crisis' basis, and managers tend to make very short term decisions, which are often quite poor.

But if everyone was essentially a reserve, then it might encourage longer serving staff to try and make sure that reserves get treat fairly (Saturday's off, etc etc) rather than just saying 'Oh well, in xx years you'll have a duty'/'we all had to go through it' and other such unhelpful tosh.
What has longer serving staff got to do about reserves getting Saturdays off? It's down to management to ensure reserves are getting the agreed amount of Saturdays off.
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

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Saturday working always comes up, let’s be honest no one likes it or wants it, how many would jump @ Monday to Friday & leave the weekends for volunteers 🤔
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I would in a heartbeat
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

Post by SMS1969 »

redlen wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 20:41
DGH wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 20:38
lobsterhands wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 19:52


This was agreed with the DSM and our office union rep ( who is also the covering area union rep ) that we were to take 20 minutes before we went out and we take 20 at the end ( finish 20 minutes earlier )
The majority of people in our office tried to push for the full 40 minutes at the end ( hence finishing 40 minutes earlier ) but that was thrown out straight away.
You should not be taking any break at the end of the day, nor at its start. The union and the company cannot lawfully agree that. Breaks shoudl be taken 'towards the middle' of the working day. I know in RM that was traditionally ignored, but that does not alter the facts.


Have to agree with your post that breaks should be taken in the middle of your duty span
I like to have my first break at around 11am, I’m not hungry till then. But I can’t because my van share insists on having his sarnies before we go out, sometimes at 8.30! Totally infuriating and inflexible, I’m much happier when I get to work on my own. :nana
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Anyone bringing back tracked items in our office is to be retrained.

Going to be fun.
First batch starts tomorrow, hope it's factored in... And one is the coach !
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

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DGH wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 20:38
lobsterhands wrote:
21 Mar 2023, 19:52


This was agreed with the DSM and our office union rep ( who is also the covering area union rep ) that we were to take 20 minutes before we went out and we take 20 at the end ( finish 20 minutes earlier )
The majority of people in our office tried to push for the full 40 minutes at the end ( hence finishing 40 minutes earlier ) but that was thrown out straight away.
You should not be taking any break at the end of the day, nor at its start. The union and the company cannot lawfully agree that. Breaks shoudl be taken 'towards the middle' of the working day. I know in RM that was traditionally ignored, but that does not alter the facts.

I’ve been at this office 24 years and 2 at another one and never have we’ve been allowed to take breaks during delivery, just another example of RM doing what they please.
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

Post by Burghboy »

enskied wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 15:33
Anyone bringing back tracked items in our office is to be retrained.

Going to be fun.
First batch starts tomorrow, hope it's factored in... And one is the coach !
Why would they be retrained? They are not bringing them back because they don’t know how to deliver them am assuming it’s due to them not having time to deliver them… 😡
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

Post by postieblueshirt »

enskied wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 15:33
Anyone bringing back tracked items in our office is to be retrained.

Going to be fun.
First batch starts tomorrow, hope it's factored in... And one is the coach !
retrained? were you ever trained on how to deliver tracked? has anyone?
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

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The manager who did the revision in my office has already said it will be a catastrophic failure but the area manager pushed it through. Seems our managers have just given up.
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Re: Individual performance blamed !!

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Nickvilla20 wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 16:51
The manager who did the revision in my office has already said it will be a catastrophic failure but the area manager pushed it through. Seems our managers have just given up.
Of course they’ve given up, half of them are completely unable to manage effectively.