Backdated Pay Guessing Game

[k979aaa]

If you think this company is going to pay over a grand in back pay to each employee you're deluded.

Over 100 million pounds in back pay? Yeah right.

Well they paid over £500 million to shareholders and gave themselves fat bonuses and payrise knowing full well the business wasn't going to be doing as well. Makes you wonder what if they scaled back the amount they paid out including superhubs, electric cars etc.

If the company was honest and fair from the word go last year then I'd happily discuss the changes needed to turn the business around. But no they just threw money away at any brain dead idea from the top with no common sense whatsoever. Blaming us for the losses and contracts lost through strike action so on so forth.

If they worked with us from the start we might of been in a better place. Which might of meant no strikes and tonnes of money wasted on agency staff who were paid more for doing less work saved. Bonuses for managers breaking strikes saved. No business contracts lost. Paying Evri money to do our work and god knows what else they secretly spent money on.

So yes they best back date because it was their incompetance that lead us to where we are not us.

Backpay is not the biggest issue I would rather have a better deal on hours and how we work commit to deliver is like commit suicide and so is annualised hours the pay is important thing is it better getting a wedge of pay now or ongoing bigger wage? Thing is we get a vote on it I do think it will happen that at some stage we get an agreement but it may take a while like 6 months or more!

[ddtc]

All I'm saying is they have no excuse for no back pay. Plead poverty however they like but don't say it after gutting the company that we made record profits for, for themselves. Millions wasted because they thought they knew best. We are Royal Mail, not them overpaid bs talking idiots at the top.

[k979aaa]

All I'm saying is they have no excuse for no back pay. Plead poverty however they like but don't say it after gutting the company that we made record profits for, for themselves. Millions wasted because they thought they knew best. We are Royal Mail, not them overpaid bs talking idiots at the top.

Well I agree with you thing is how the deal is shaped it will not suit all because some want the money now even if taxed on it like hell while others will look at their pensions as a final salary. Well as to your first point the CEO is lucky yet to not do some time in the nick for his gross negligence in the COVID-19 Track and trace fiasco that cost £37 Billion.

[ddtc]

True but we all know he was hired to do exactly what he has been doing and he will get away wlth it. Rinse and repeat with another company. All these kinds of people need to be rid of.

[POSTPERSON50]

If you think this company is going to pay over a grand in back pay to each employee you're deluded.

Over 100 million pounds in back pay? Yeah right.

Well they paid over £500 million to shareholders and gave themselves fat bonuses and payrise knowing full well the business wasn't going to be doing as well. Makes you wonder what if they scaled back the amount they paid out including superhubs, electric cars etc.

If the company was honest and fair from the word go last year then I'd happily discuss the changes needed to turn the business around. But no they just threw money away at any brain dead idea from the top with no common sense whatsoever. Blaming us for the losses and contracts lost through strike action so on so forth.

If they worked with us from the start we might of been in a better place. Which might of meant no strikes and tonnes of money wasted on agency staff who were paid more for doing less work saved. Bonuses for managers breaking strikes saved. No business contracts lost. Paying Evri money to do our work and god knows what else they secretly spent money on.

So yes they best back date because it was their incompetance that lead us to where we are not us.

Royal Mail do not want an agreement. They will get what they want regardless of what we want.
We are the expensive history, the future doesn't include us nor does it include a year of backdated pay rise money.
People are still thinking that we have hope of a good resolution, the reality is we are nowhere.

[LouBarlow]

All I'm saying is they have no excuse for no back pay. Plead poverty however they like but don't say it after gutting the company that we made record profits for, for themselves. Millions wasted because they thought they knew best. We are Royal Mail, not them overpaid bs talking idiots at the top.

That money is gone. You are right to bemoan how money was wasted in the past, but it doesn’t change the current situation, which even the union leaders now admit, that there is no money, which is why they haven’t called new strikes, and why we should have voted on the previous deal offered by RM as I can’t see it being improved at this point.

[Cucumber]

All I'm saying is they have no excuse for no back pay. Plead poverty however they like but don't say it after gutting the company that we made record profits for, for themselves. Millions wasted because they thought they knew best. We are Royal Mail, not them overpaid bs talking idiots at the top.

That money is gone. You are right to bemoan how money was wasted in the past, but it doesn’t change the current situation, which even the union leaders now admit, that there is no money, which is why they haven’t called new strikes, and why we should have voted on the previous deal offered by RM as I can’t see it being improved at this point.

Even if they now accept the previous deal as it is, we will be financially worse off as we would have been getting higher wages for the past 4 months.

[FilthyBloke]

All I'm saying is they have no excuse for no back pay. Plead poverty however they like but don't say it after gutting the company that we made record profits for, for themselves. Millions wasted because they thought they knew best. We are Royal Mail, not them overpaid bs talking idiots at the top.

That money is gone. You are right to bemoan how money was wasted in the past, but it doesn’t change the current situation, which even the union leaders now admit, that there is no money, which is why they haven’t called new strikes, and why we should have voted on the previous deal offered by RM as I can’t see it being improved at this point.

Even if they now accept the previous deal as it is, we will be financially worse off as we would have been getting higher wages for the past 4 months.

But you all took the morale high ground of ‘never breaking the picket line’, so gave up a couple of grand and a pay deal that should have started months ago.
I’m not a member but even I knew Royal Mail were not going to budge. It was just a complete waste of time where Royal Mail basically ignored the CWU and forced through the changes anyway. Where the CWU made unforced cock ups and where the members only joy seem to come from a parliamentary pantomime which made our ceo look foolish.

I never believed the CWU would win because they never really had a tactic. Royal Mail starved them out.

In short, the members have delayed this and the members have suffered.

[chrisj]

The Parliamentary pantomime, the exposure, talks of USO failings by Union and whistle blowers, the attempted strikes in February and finally the ballot was a serious case of self harm.

Royal Mail will be further fined - meaning even less money.

The USO needs to go almost totally - save for equal pricing. Letters delivered 3 times a week; Saturdays letters not needed except for catch ups.

Some here wanted to break the company - the company is almost broken and then what? They expect Royal Mail that is failing with huge losses and now poor credit rating and shareholders getting zilch; to go and borrow money to give us a pay rise with no changes to efficiencies.

The CWU's job was to protect our jobs going into the future and secondly to secure good terms that aligns with the company finances and operations. It has taken them almost a year to read the room -they are stuck now! They cannot call for more strikes and the pay deal will not be improved. On top, more changes to come - we might end up in Compulsory Redundancies on very basic terms the way things are going.

[k979aaa]

Some fool on here just sacked half the staff not naming him but that is what he is advocating in the name of profit for shareholders and bonuses for managers while you do twice the work!

[Walter sobchak]

Out of interest what was the latest “last offer” by Royal Mail in terms of % pay rise and back dated pay?

[rambo1]

Some fool on here just sacked half the staff not naming him but that is what he is advocating in the name of profit for shareholders and bonuses for managers while you do twice the work!

Makes me laugh when people say you'll be doing twice the work. As long as we don't get committ to deliver brought in, you have a start and finish time! Unless you're finished 4 hrs early now, you're not getting twice the work are you! This 'fool' as you said, is putting forward their thoughts on not letting the company go under. Have you noticed our fleet lately? Do we look like a company doing well? Being as we are a private listed company, then yes, we have to be profitable. If we make a loss for 3 or 4 yrs in a row and don't pay out dividends then the company and your current job will be no more. We are not a service to the public any more, why can't some people get that into their heads.

[Nickvilla20]

Some fool on here just sacked half the staff not naming him but that is what he is advocating in the name of profit for shareholders and bonuses for managers while you do twice the work!

Makes me laugh when people say you'll be doing twice the work. As long as we don't get committ to deliver brought in, you have a start and finish time! Unless you're finished 4 hrs early now, you're not getting twice the work are you! This 'fool' as you said, is putting forward their thoughts on not letting the company go under. Have you noticed our fleet lately? Do we look like a company doing well? Being as we are a private listed company, then yes, we have to be profitable. If we make a loss for 3 or 4 yrs in a row and don't pay out dividends then the company and your current job will be no more. We are not a service to the public any more, why can't some people get that into their heads.

My current office has some of the worst vans I’ve ever seen. You’re right for us to have secure jobs the company has to be profitable and with the current financial situation maybe a 6 day USO isn’t profitable.

It’s obvious huge mistakes have been made by the people running the company and all of them should go but any other senior management team will want the sane outcomes as the current ones.

We aren’t a public service anymore in fact we haven’t been for a very long time and we have to be honest most people couldn’t give a damn about getting mail six days a week. Parcels yes letters no.

It would seem a reduction in staff and service is inevitable.

[rambo1]

Some fool on here just sacked half the staff not naming him but that is what he is advocating in the name of profit for shareholders and bonuses for managers while you do twice the work!

Makes me laugh when people say you'll be doing twice the work. As long as we don't get committ to deliver brought in, you have a start and finish time! Unless you're finished 4 hrs early now, you're not getting twice the work are you! This 'fool' as you said, is putting forward their thoughts on not letting the company go under. Have you noticed our fleet lately? Do we look like a company doing well? Being as we are a private listed company, then yes, we have to be profitable. If we make a loss for 3 or 4 yrs in a row and don't pay out dividends then the company and your current job will be no more. We are not a service to the public any more, why can't some people get that into their heads.

My current office has some of the worst vans I’ve ever seen. You’re right for us to have secure jobs the company has to be profitable and with the current financial situation maybe a 6 day USO isn’t profitable.

It’s obvious huge mistakes have been made by the people running the company and all of them should go but any other senior management team will want the sane outcomes as the current ones.

We aren’t a public service anymore in fact we haven’t been for a very long time and we have to be honest most people couldn’t give a damn about getting mail six days a week. Parcels yes letters no.

It would seem a reduction in staff and service is inevitable.

Last time I delivered 3 days worth of mail I apologized to the woman and explained that the only reason she was getting the mail today was because she had a tracked parcel (before you say, I know, we don't prioritize parcels ) , anyways all she said was, they're probably bills anyway!
So no, people aren't fussed by and large about getting mail 6 days a week.
Most people on a Sunday don't know their parcel is coming on a Sunday, or that we even work on a Sunday.
The business model is fxxked. We're spinning so many plates trying to be all things to everyone and it just won't work.
Too many managers doing f all most of the day. Everyone knows that 2 or even 3 days worth of letters doesn't take a massive amount of time more than one. Certainly not 2 or 3 times longer! We need to cut jobs, only deliver letters 3 days a week, become profitable again and reward our staff. All this protect jobs thing the CWU are hung up on will not work. They should be on board with getting rid of the USO to become competitive again and negotiate a VR package for all who want it.

[guardianangel]

I wont for anything less than what the cwu promised inflation pay rise back dated,if they have lied to us they will never be trusted again,so message for dave and andy dont come back with anything less or you will be voted out and replaced.