FAO Martin Walsh !!!

[LouBarlow]

For goodness sake another thread needs closed down

Agreed. What an embarrassing thread.

[guardianangel]

First of all I would like to thank you Martin for your update.

It is at least you that keeps us updated, and for this we are grateful as sometimes it is just good to have that open line of communication.

Just a couple of points and a response and reply by you on the points raised would be good.

The union have made mistakes along the way no doubt about it in my mind.

• why oh why did the union this time last year promise a no strings inflation busting pay rise, this was never ever realistic and was never going to happen anyone and everyone could see that yet the union insisted and persisted with this unrealistic goal, no wonder over a year later this is unresolved. Now finally the cwu realize that no strings deal is not possible

• 2 weeks ago CWU said a deal would be done in 10 days, how unrealistic was that, at the time I did think that no chance! but prepared to give it a chance, why set and state a deadline of 10 days and to raise expectations only to dash them?

• • the cost of living is really biting now, just get the pay rise done and dusted and in our pockets! and you can carry on talking for the next decade for me!, as I agree with the Royal Mail in that we spend far too long in talking about change rather than doing it and lets face it they are doing what they want for that most part locally anyway and just paying local reps the lip service.I think it would benefit us all and if these new changes do not suit people well they can go and look for a better / more suitable job anyway as there are plenty of jobs out there so they say

• the job is not what it was FACT, and the business is changing FACT! - so lets just get it over and done with instead of prolonging the dispute

• if the cwu were realy determined to get the deal done in 10 days why not just announce the 14 day notice for strike action at the same time as '10 day' announcement, as this would have really focused minds of the board just to get the deal done, knowing what would be coming round the corner if a deal was not done - Royal Mail really missed a trick there

• however still not too late end of financial year approaching and Easter hand in the 2 weeks notice of I/A now!!!! to really focus minds

• I know the cwu are really doing the best they can for us, but I feel they have made a lot of errors along the way, as some things are unrealistic - the cwu bang on about 2 tier workforce, but it already exists!, people being paid working alongside me that and doing the same jobs, and getting paid nearly £200 a month more - colleague is getting ex phg supplement, pbs/ics payment, and extra shift pay as he is ex phg with the full shift allowance pensionable and mine is not!. I wish the CWU would ope their eyes 3 teirs have applied for years anddecades and continue to apply to this date. I wish the CWU would open their eyes. Either equalise for the whole workforce as it stand s now or accept a 2 teir workforce that RM propose which the cwu inadvertently have accepted any how for the last decades

• I don't see anything wrong with commit to deliver as long as workloads are acceptable! why should you not be expected to do your fair share of work, I know for a fact there are piss takers and that cannot be right, lets give the customers the service they deserve!! and as for flexi hours it can work both ways you know as long as it is implemented correctly with right oversight from the CWU nothing wrong with this at all, I have worked at another company and flexi hours in the past and annualised hours and it can be of benefit to the workers too!

Let me know your thought martin wlash

If they are getting rid of 1000's of posties they need to get rid of the dead wood bosses ,lets get rid of the uso only deliver 3 days a week and give posties the option to all go part time letters or full time parcels,i know a lot who would choose part time letters.

[aiden01]

FFS Shut up you shower of w*****s !

Definitely needs closed down now.

[Linden14]

Just seen the subsidised food prices in royal mails head office canteen,and were supposed to feel sorry for the financial state of royal mail while they look after themselves.Sorry Martin but this whole sorry saga makes me feel sick

[enskied]

Revisions are not put in place to equalise, balance or make anything fairer.

Revisions are simply a cost cutting tool.

[ted_e_bear]

Revisions are not put in place to equalise, balance or make anything fairer.

Revisions are simply a cost cutting tool.

That's what I thought but yet again despite it being an ideal opportunity to level duties up a bit as always they persisted with adding more to the duties that were already too big and less to the shorter ones.

[norris9]

You can't have commit to deliver when they don't have enough staff....

You go for your day off, the office has nobody to cover your round, you come in the following day to 2 days mail, it's December....

You have to commit to deliver 2 days of Xmas mail and parcels because the office is understaffed - it would be ridiculous!

Imagine future strikes....we go off for 3 days and then when we come back we have 4 days mail we have to commit to deliver.



ROYAL MAIL SHOULD COMMIT TO THE USO! - By having the correct staff numbers!

[FilthyBloke]

You can't have commit to deliver when they don't have enough staff....

You go for your day off, the office has nobody to cover your round, you come in the following day to 2 days mail, it's December....

You have to commit to deliver 2 days of Xmas mail and parcels because the office is understaffed - it would be ridiculous!

Imagine future strikes....we go off for 3 days and then when we come back we have 4 days mail we have to commit to deliver.



ROYAL MAIL SHOULD COMMIT TO THE USO! - By having the correct staff numbers!

But they would have enough staff if the uso was 5 days and not 6? That’s what they are trying to prove. It would save money and would still commit to deliver.

[Grinder64]

Commit to deliver- no thanks. Managers completely in control which they would love to be. I want a finish time, so that I can arrange other things going on in my life. I also do not want to be going in to work in the heavier months not knowing when I’m going to finish.

Precisely, I work to live, I don't live to work. They need to formulate a commitment to the USO before they even think about another assault on workers T&Cs.

[ted_e_bear]

You can't have commit to deliver when they don't have enough staff....

You go for your day off, the office has nobody to cover your round, you come in the following day to 2 days mail, it's December....

You have to commit to deliver 2 days of Xmas mail and parcels because the office is understaffed - it would be ridiculous!

Imagine future strikes....we go off for 3 days and then when we come back we have 4 days mail we have to commit to deliver.



ROYAL MAIL SHOULD COMMIT TO THE USO! - By having the correct staff numbers!

But they would have enough staff if the uso was 5 days and not 6? That’s what they are trying to prove. It would save money and would still commit to deliver.

Yes and then they could run it down a bit more so they've only got enough staff for 4 days.....

[k979aaa]

Well if the talks go on for much longer we could call it the Good Friday Agreement

[scotchy1962]

just like you friend scotchy1962 who thinks to disregard anyone that disagrees with her point of view

I dont disregard anyone who disagrees with my point, your problem is you need a valid point to begin with. We are all big boys who live in a big boys world and should be able to have a adult conversation, but some people just say whatever they are thinking without putting a bit of thought into it therefore adult conversation out the window. To have a whole list of points for a union member about something that at the moment is still only being discussed with nothing concrete to use as a basis is not really a valid point. Wait until theres something to work with and then fire away, but dont think you wont still get shot down. I really struggle with the amount of gullible people on social media and their tendancy to believe everything they read as if the messiah has just spoken, everything and i mean everything, even what i have written, needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, "i am not the Messiah i am a very naughty boy", its all just someones opinion.

[mjd24]

No wonder we are in the mess we are as a company.

People are just so unwilling to change! and do not listen or actually read what I have just said.

with regards to:

There would be many more daily arguments about how long a workload should take to deliver.


No not really as it is not a workload thing as such. You commit to deliver your walk and not 'extra' workload. Your walk is yours simple, not difficult is it?

And I did say - It all is about what is fair with the right oversight and governance which the union should be involved in, of course it needs to be a fair and manageable workload.

How would you feel as a customer if you were waiting at home for DPD or amazon to deliver something you ordered and you simply wait wait and wait and then the item does not come as the delivery driver decides to cut off??? - as a customer you would not accept it. and pehaps even raise a complaint.

Yet somehow the fact RM postmen are doing this very thing on a daily basis - cutting off as an employee you find acceptable. I call it quite hypocritical tbh. I don't see provided it is a fair and manageable workload why commit to deliver is such a big deal at all if your done early you go, it is all about haveing the right governance and oversight, as of course if you are going over everyday on your commit to deliver the walk is quite obviously too big.

Like I said fair reasonable and manageable. And I know of DO's and walks that do regulalry finish 30 mins a day early which is all well and good I'm alrite Jack but how is that fair on a person who is going over everyday.

With commit to deliver it is all about fairness as if you fininsh early and go early the hours would reflect accordingly at year end - not pay but hours so you would not be paid less but carry the negative hours over into next year. And same goes for people going over hours would reflect and trigger extra payment of holidays

Perhaps I am naive!!! and it would never work due to custom and practice and the work place culture - but something needs to change as all it is everyday is daily arguments about lapsing and cutting off etc

But maybe I am naive but other certainly are as there are companies I know where there is such thing as compulsary overtime,

It is all about trying to find find the right balalnce and have the governance in place to enable it all to happen, as things as they are cannot conitnue

Not read so much bollox in a while.

[steve1873]

First of all I would like to thank you Martin for your update.

It is at least you that keeps us updated, and for this we are grateful as sometimes it is just good to have that open line of communication.

Just a couple of points and a response and reply by you on the points raised would be good.

The union have made mistakes along the way no doubt about it in my mind.

• why oh why did the union this time last year promise a no strings inflation busting pay rise, this was never ever realistic and was never going to happen anyone and everyone could see that yet the union insisted and persisted with this unrealistic goal, no wonder over a year later this is unresolved. Now finally the cwu realize that no strings deal is not possible

• 2 weeks ago CWU said a deal would be done in 10 days, how unrealistic was that, at the time I did think that no chance! but prepared to give it a chance, why set and state a deadline of 10 days and to raise expectations only to dash them?

• • the cost of living is really biting now, just get the pay rise done and dusted and in our pockets! and you can carry on talking for the next decade for me!, as I agree with the Royal Mail in that we spend far too long in talking about change rather than doing it and lets face it they are doing what they want for that most part locally anyway and just paying local reps the lip service.I think it would benefit us all and if these new changes do not suit people well they can go and look for a better / more suitable job anyway as there are plenty of jobs out there so they say

• the job is not what it was FACT, and the business is changing FACT! - so lets just get it over and done with instead of prolonging the dispute

• if the cwu were realy determined to get the deal done in 10 days why not just announce the 14 day notice for strike action at the same time as '10 day' announcement, as this would have really focused minds of the board just to get the deal done, knowing what would be coming round the corner if a deal was not done - Royal Mail really missed a trick there

• however still not too late end of financial year approaching and Easter hand in the 2 weeks notice of I/A now!!!! to really focus minds

• I know the cwu are really doing the best they can for us, but I feel they have made a lot of errors along the way, as some things are unrealistic - the cwu bang on about 2 tier workforce, but it already exists!, people being paid working alongside me that and doing the same jobs, and getting paid nearly £200 a month more - colleague is getting ex phg supplement, pbs/ics payment, and extra shift pay as he is ex phg with the full shift allowance pensionable and mine is not!. I wish the CWU would ope their eyes 3 teirs have applied for years anddecades and continue to apply to this date. I wish the CWU would open their eyes. Either equalise for the whole workforce as it stand s now or accept a 2 teir workforce that RM propose which the cwu inadvertently have accepted any how for the last decades

• I don't see anything wrong with commit to deliver as long as workloads are acceptable! why should you not be expected to do your fair share of work, I know for a fact there are piss takers and that cannot be right, lets give the customers the service they deserve!! and as for flexi hours it can work both ways you know as long as it is implemented correctly with right oversight from the CWU nothing wrong with this at all, I have worked at another company and flexi hours in the past and annualised hours and it can be of benefit to the workers too!

Let me know your thought martin wlash

No chance!!!

[Pidleypoo]

No wonder we are in the mess we are as a company.

People are just so unwilling to change! and do not listen or actually read what I have just said.

with regards to:

There would be many more daily arguments about how long a workload should take to deliver.


No not really as it is not a workload thing as such. You commit to deliver your walk and not 'extra' workload. Your walk is yours simple, not difficult is it?

And I did say - It all is about what is fair with the right oversight and governance which the union should be involved in, of course it needs to be a fair and manageable workload.

How would you feel as a customer if you were waiting at home for DPD or amazon to deliver something you ordered and you simply wait wait and wait and then the item does not come as the delivery driver decides to cut off??? - as a customer you would not accept it. and pehaps even raise a complaint.

Yet somehow the fact RM postmen are doing this very thing on a daily basis - cutting off as an employee you find acceptable. I call it quite hypocritical tbh. I don't see provided it is a fair and manageable workload why commit to deliver is such a big deal at all if your done early you go, it is all about haveing the right governance and oversight, as of course if you are going over everyday on your commit to deliver the walk is quite obviously too big.

Like I said fair reasonable and manageable. And I know of DO's and walks that do regulalry finish 30 mins a day early which is all well and good I'm alrite Jack but how is that fair on a person who is going over everyday.

With commit to deliver it is all about fairness as if you fininsh early and go early the hours would reflect accordingly at year end - not pay but hours so you would not be paid less but carry the negative hours over into next year. And same goes for people going over hours would reflect and trigger extra payment of holidays

Perhaps I am naive!!! and it would never work due to custom and practice and the work place culture - but something needs to change as all it is everyday is daily arguments about lapsing and cutting off etc

But maybe I am naive but other certainly are as there are companies I know where there is such thing as compulsary overtime,

It is all about trying to find find the right balalnce and have the governance in place to enable it all to happen, as things as they are cannot conitnue

Not read so much bollox in a while.

I’ll second that , utter tripe.