So what exactly does the joint statement mean?

[pinstripe]

Does it mean that offices that have had revisions imposed, will have those revisions reviewed and adjusted accordingly?

For offices with imminent revisions starting Monday, does this mean that these revisions will be paused to allow union involvement, or will they plough ahead giving reps just 2 days to try to avert an obvious disaster?

Will local managers, or rogue managers as ST refers to them, simply ignore the statement as their boss hasn’t told them what to think yet?

[bowie]

They have to stop,get the joint statement on your union board

[Woody Guthrie]

I would expect most reps to request a meeting with management today.
It should be pretty clear straight away whether they intend to engage in good faith.
If that isn't going to happen the rep should be straight onto the branch who should immediately bring the Regional Operations Director into the conversation.

If local management want to ignore a statement agreed by the board and potentially stall a revision they should be explaining that decision to their superiors not us. Since the business is pushing the urgency of these revisions I would imagine any "roadblock" will be removed pretty quickly.

It's called accountability.

[koolishy67]

Everything going ahead done and dusted by end of this month only good thing is we don't have to start late 2 Hours just 30 min flex at the moment

[norris9]

It means that if managers don't allow union rep input then that will be reported back to Dave Ward and hopefully Dave will be having a stern word with the board about it to make sure these rogue managers are doing what the board want them to do and engage with the union to bring about a fresh start. Otherwise we should strike until this is committed to.

[sixfoottwo]

Means nothing zilch nada.

EA still happening in ours just heard the Dim say

[mark.cup]

I don't really like the tone of the union being all sympathetic to the financial hard times Royal Mail are facing!

It means they are trying to dress up some massive sell out on everything they told us we needed to win the latest ballot for...

This company is being bled dry from COM's getting a monster payrise right up through to board level including all the hundreds of made up jobs for the boys type roles you see with a ridiculous title rolled out on RMTV.


Whatever deal we end up with it will be about 2 years before we are technically back in front after all the strike days.

I'm not against the union and more than willing to strike but this really isn't looking good

[timbo1234]

I am not convinced RM will actually honour this statement. It feels like a delay tactic while more EA is brought in.

[needadvice]

I don't really like the tone of the union being all sympathetic to the financial hard times Royal Mail are facing!

That was my feeling too. Its inexcusable to hand over half the profits to shareholders and then have sympathy for them for the effects of doing so

[arsenalbob]

In a nutshell new strike dates need to be announced. TODAY!!!!!

[Dorset Plodder]

So what happens in those units that have already had Unagreed Revisions forced through by EA?

Some also having Scanned to Route and Post Box Changes forced through during the period of Union Non-Engagement !

There's some phrases about "Revisiting Revisions" but I liken this to Blasting a Motorway through a SSSI and then the builders turning around and saying, "Well we know we shouldn't have done it ... lets see if there's something we can do to repair the damage?"

Too Bloody Late for some. Are RM going to drag those frames back into the office and put those duties back onto them? It's all very well saying "IF you can prove the USO is not being provided you could get those duties put back in" I've NEVER seen RM put ANY Duties back into an office, and I don't expect it to ever happen. Once Posties are Lost and Duties are chopped up they NEVER return.

I'm not slagging the Negotiators efforts, but RM have had a systematic way of culling Posties, and Duties, for Decades. It's well established and I don't believe a bit of "Re-Engagement" is going to fix it!

[Richie24]

Our revision is still going ahead next week, so another pointless few weeks of talking between RM and the union. All they cared about was getting their reps reinstated. I can’t wait to see the amazing deal that’s agreed next week such a shower of s**t union.

[Wullie10]

So what happens in those units that have already had Unagreed Revisions forced through by EA?

Some also having Scanned to Route and Post Box Changes forced through during the period of Union Non-Engagement !

There's some phrases about "Revisiting Revisions" but I liken this to Blasting a Motorway through a SSSI and then the builders turning around and saying, "Well we know we shouldn't have done it ... lets see if there's something we can do to repair the damage?"

Too Bloody Late for some. Are RM going to drag those frames back into the office and put those duties back onto them? It's all very well saying "IF you can prove the USO is not being provided you could get those duties put back in" I've NEVER seen RM put ANY Duties back into an office, and I don't expect it to ever happen. Once Posties are Lost and Duties are chopped up they NEVER return.

I'm not slagging the Negotiators efforts, but RM have had a systematic way of culling Posties, and Duties, for Decades. It's well established and I don't believe a bit of "Re-Engagement" is going to fix it!

You can't get a square peg in to a round hole. Those revisions only work by postmen working for nothing. Starting early and taking shortcuts. They've done it forever and RM know this. The impossible jobs will soon become possible when postman can make 10 Minutes at the end.

[roman]

The term after the horse has bolted springs to mind.If a revision has been implemented they can’t just wave a magic wand and reverse it all.If the hours have to be taken out some walks have to go or be re jigged.

[Dorset Plodder]

The term after the horse has bolted springs to mind.If a revision has been implemented they can’t just wave a magic wand and reverse it all
If the hours have to be taken out some walks have to go or be re jigged.

I think the point is that perhaps those hours shouldn't have been taken out in the first place?

Because they were taken out, due to EA, the Union think the Reps should Re-Engage and do something about it. I don't know what they're expected to do? Apparently the only thing that would force RM to put hours back into the Unit would be if the USO is failing on a regular basis (Duties being left undelivered) And then it would be down to recruiting more staff and perhaps putting a Duty back in... Wishful thinking to my mind.