WOULD YOU STRIKE AGAIN?

[Night Tonic]

But until then, we might as well bend over and spread our cheeks for all that RM want to give us - is that correct? Because that is the perception I am getting. Never say "no point" - that subtracts the morale of any grass roots waverers & union officials considering IA might reject considering our most potent weapon if they think most of us will say "What's the point?".........during the last IA a lot of military analogies were used ( battlelines drawn, foot soldiers on the pickets, etc ), well, here's another one for you, to say strike action has "no point", is to give comfort to the enemy.

Agree. Ofcourse theres a point, but making a difference is another thing. These changes are only the beginning. Most of us have sorted our finances out since the strike and few will want to do it again. I know lots on here would and hats off to you but I'm reminded of the 60 odd percent that voted YES.

[Thorby Bislam]

Do I want to strike - definately not.
Am I prepared to strike - reluctantly yes.

[DGP1]

But until then, we might as well bend over and spread our cheeks for all that RM want to give us - is that correct? Because that is the perception I am getting. Never say "no point" - that subtracts the morale of any grass roots waverers & union officials considering IA might reject considering our most potent weapon if they think most of us will say "What's the point?".........during the last IA a lot of military analogies were used ( battlelines drawn, foot soldiers on the pickets, etc ), well, here's another one for you, to say strike action has "no point", is to give comfort to the enemy.

Agree. Ofcourse theres a point, but making a difference is another thing. These changes are only the beginning. Most of us have sorted our finances out since the strike and few will want to do it again. I know lots on here would and hats off to you but I'm reminded of the 60 odd percent that voted YES.

And those 60% are now starting to see what RM meant and are starting to regret it (at least in my DO).

[Night Tonic]

Varies from office to office but I'm working in two offices while they're shutting one down (grrr) and I see no enthusiasm for another fight. I agee we're all none too happy but you gotta look around too. In the private sector some have lost their entire pensions in recent years - not just a chunk but all of it. Its just impossible to guage strength of feeling from a few of us on here. When it comes to the ballot box, most will accept the changes - way its been all along.

[smokerjim]

if the union asked you to?

no point is there. its the same everytime we show how willing we are to see it through but the union leaders screw us over and sell us out.. it happens ever single time.. £2.80 they take from everyone of us every week.. for what.. so they can live the high life on our backs and bloody hard work.. we need a change we need a union with some BALLS

But until then, we might as well bend over and spread our cheeks for all that RM want to give us - is that correct? Because that is the perception I am getting. Never say "no point" - that subtracts the morale of any grass roots waverers & union officials considering IA might reject considering our most potent weapon if they think most of us will say "What's the point?".........during the last IA a lot of military analogies were used ( battlelines drawn, foot soldiers on the pickets, etc ), well, here's another one for you, to say strike action has "no point", is to give comfort to the enemy.

but how many times have we striked.. only to see the union sell us out.. look at all they have given away over the last 10 years how many can claim their working life is better now then 10 years ago. not everone sees the royal mail as a long term job now so why would they want to strike over something that is 20. 30 .or even 40 years down the road and will change anyway in that time frame.

Simple question then - as RM do as they please, would you rather sit down and accept the consequences meekly, or stand up and shout your opposition......even if the results are the same? I'd like to think in that situation, I'd done all in my limited power to change, to avoid or avert what could happen.

[post54]

stand shoulder to shoulder with the pal next to you on the gate,yes from me

[Albethere]

Look at it from RM's point of view - surely it is better to keep the staff happy in order to AVOID further strikes.......Unless......they secretly DO want to destroy the company for political and/or private sell off purposes.

[kwikpost]

if the union asked you to?

no point is there. its the same everytime we show how willing we are to see it through but the union leaders screw us over and sell us out.. it happens ever single time.. £2.80 they take from everyone of us every week.. for what.. so they can live the high life on our backs and bloody hard work.. we need a change we need a union with some BALLS

But until then, we might as well bend over and spread our cheeks for all that RM want to give us - is that correct? Because that is the perception I am getting. Never say "no point" - that subtracts the morale of any grass roots waverers & union officials considering IA might reject considering our most potent weapon if they think most of us will say "What's the point?".........during the last IA a lot of military analogies were used ( battlelines drawn, foot soldiers on the pickets, etc ), well, here's another one for you, to say strike action has "no point", is to give comfort to the enemy.

but how many times have we striked.. only to see the union sell us out.. look at all they have given away over the last 10 years how many can claim their working life is better now then 10 years ago. not everone sees the royal mail as a long term job now so why would they want to strike over something that is 20. 30 .or even 40 years down the road and will change anyway in that time frame.

Simple question then - as RM do as they please, would you rather sit down and accept the consequences meekly, or stand up and shout your opposition......even if the results are the same? I'd like to think in that situation, I'd done all in my limited power to change, to avoid or avert what could happen.

and after all the strikes we`ve had that have been supported by our office 100% everytime. the union still sold us out.
we all voted against it but one dilevery a day opened the door to cuts that are going to distroy our jobs the union agreed to it dispite members not wanting it .
nights are being given away by the union overtime rates are s**t the union negosiated away driving allowance 20 mins in the hour night allowance and now our f***ing pensions will go because the union we have are bloody worthless.. they take our money and do sod all £2.80 A WEEK for what???

[smokerjim]

KP, I agree with everything you've said, but until an organisation comes along that is going to have RM sit up and take notice at least as much as they already do with the CWU, then I'll stick with them - it is better to have something, ( no matter how flawed or shambolic it may be ) then have nothing and give L&C all their Christmases at once.

The concept of an Industrial Union ( like the IWW, or what I understand of the IWW ) would be right up my street.....but it's no good if L&C think they can walk all over them with less fuss than they do with the CWU.

[k979aaa]

Would you strike if it ment that these two :cfo & :lfo lost their jobs?. Now i know what you will say next and they the two with out a clue would get mega millions in pay offs and would also get goldplated pensions to boot!. BUT TO ME JUST TO TAKE THE SMUG GRIN OFF THIS C**TS FACE :cfo I WOULD LOSE A MONTHS PAY!.

[BELIAL]

I would, and for months on end, with my mates ,just to show those parasites that we are not stupid ,we do not fall for their bullshit and we are not going to subsidise their priveliged lifestyles anymore.
If they want Uber riches they can work for it, Do five walks a day,or in Croziers case he would have to complete nearly 100 walks each and every day: crikey could he do that? It's a long way, and a lot of weight,guess he's better than me so lok forward to stakanovite crozier showing me up

[jemima]

I don’t think striking over the current pension proposals would be a satisfactory way forward. The proposals are only an attempt to mask a symptom of the cancer that has developed in the global business society; the company’s holiday from pension contributions didn’t help, but we need now to promote a genuine solution to the pension fund problem….and the rest…..

If you dig around on the Royal Mail Group web site, you can find data on the pension fund investments. The returns from these are not robust in a world-recession situation. Moreover, the fund will not be able to support the demands made on it, even using the proposed career-average calculations, if the gap between higher-level pay and ordinary workers’ pay is allowed to increase further.

Expansion of productive work, not expansion of managerial salaries and bonuses, is the only way to put things right in the long term. Management should be able to deliver real profit increases by encouraging new mail or other product markets to develop. If they can’t do that, and are only capable of downsizing and demoralising the workforce, their numbers must be cut and those remaining should have their salaries and bonuses reduced.

In the real world I belong to, if I’m failing to do my job adequately, I’ll be sacked. I’ll fight to make that rule applicable to everyone.

[Barry Trotter]

I would strike to support any worthwhile cause. Unfortunately most of my workplace colleagues would strike because its a day off.

[BELIAL]

Since the returns on my labour are becoming increasingly less robust,I have written to my mortgage provider informing them that I intend to initiate a sixty day consultation period and invite their views on my proposed changes to my currently unsustainable mortgage fund. I propose paying them nothing for 17years,reducing their defined benefits,reducing my contribution to interest payments, and ending the term 5 years early with of course a 5% reduction of the principal sum borrowed for each of those years.
No change is not an option.
In an increasingly competetive labour market it is essential that this financial burden is reduced for me to maintain my market position and thus ensure the long term health and viability of my mortgage fund.
I look forward to their response

[DGP1]

Since the returns on my labour are becoming increasingly less robust,I have written to my mortgage provider informing them that I intend to initiate a sixty day consultation period and invite their views on my proposed changes to my currently unsustainable mortgage fund. I propose paying them nothing for 17years,reducing their defined benefits,reducing my contribution to interest payments, and ending the term 5 years early with of course a 5% reduction of the principal sum borrowed for each of those years.
No change is not an option.
In an increasingly competetive labour market it is essential that this financial burden is reduced for me to maintain my market position and thus ensure the long term health and viability of my mortgage fund.
I look forward to their response