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Forcing staff to move to another office

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dudek05
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Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by dudek05 »

As part of forthcoming changes our managers are briefing that we will end up with too many staff. The excess will have to either volunteer to do parcel duties with shifts 1100hs to1900hs or be moved to another office who are short. Just asking if this is happening elsewhere?
CamPostie
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by CamPostie »

dudek05 wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 16:17
As part of forthcoming changes our managers are briefing that we will end up with too many staff. The excess will have to either volunteer to do parcel duties with shifts 1100hs to1900hs or be moved to another office who are short. Just asking if this is happening elsewhere?
I’d expect they’d need to do that as a consultation and go through a proper process.

Check your contract for a ‘mobility clause.’

That would no doubt be what RM would be relying upon in this circumstance, but any relocation would have to be ‘reasonable’.

Frustratingly the term ‘reasonable’ is a classic wishy washy legal term that can’t be clearly defined in any given circumstance… but if RM were to insist on you moving office and you could build a case to show it was an unreasonable request then you could go down a constructive dismissal route.

I’d certainly get local CWU reps involved if the above does materialise.
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by redlen »

Just my opinion

It depends if your contract of employment has a specific mobility clause.
About 2015/2016, they started inserting them for all new starters. But it will be irrelevant if the travelling distance is reasonable and your contracted hours do not change.
guardianangel
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by guardianangel »

Another reason for all out strike !!!!
49erman
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by 49erman »

So they should move the ‘agency’ first…….and as many offices have quite a few agency we shouldn’t be expected to move before them?
ANDREW CROCOMBE
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by ANDREW CROCOMBE »

Always thought they could move me on 'operational needs' but theyve never done it. Definitely the reps job IF the temps are retained over RM staff, bloody cheek. Intetesting situation to keep watching, good luck and hope you all stay in your offices.
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by Ppat98 »

I was wondering what they would push through next. Nothing is surprising now. As the previous post said. Agency staff should go first. If not it should be brought up at the next mp meeting.
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by Clappedoutpostie »

Ppat98 wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 18:32
I was wondering what they would push through next. Nothing is surprising now. As the previous post said. Agency staff should go first. If not it should be brought up at the next mp meeting.
We have been told they are going to fill the place with agency to cover all our cut offs from last weeks botched revision.
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

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dudek05 wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 16:17
As part of forthcoming changes our managers are briefing that we will end up with too many staff. The excess will have to either volunteer to do parcel duties with shifts 1100hs to1900hs or be moved to another office who are short. Just asking if this is happening elsewhere?
The parcel duty shifts are hilarious. Zero work life balance.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
ted_e_bear
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by ted_e_bear »

Barnacle wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 19:21
dudek05 wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 16:17
As part of forthcoming changes our managers are briefing that we will end up with too many staff. The excess will have to either volunteer to do parcel duties with shifts 1100hs to1900hs or be moved to another office who are short. Just asking if this is happening elsewhere?
The parcel duty shifts are hilarious. Zero work life balance.
Not for me but plenty like those hours, it's about what full time collection duties are.
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

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dudek05 wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 16:17
As part of forthcoming changes our managers are briefing that we will end up with too many staff. The excess will have to either volunteer to do parcel duties with shifts 1100hs to1900hs or be moved to another office who are short. Just asking if this is happening elsewhere?
What about VR? Surely if anyone interested in this that would be first choice?
rambo1
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by rambo1 »

Barnacle wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 19:21
dudek05 wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 16:17
As part of forthcoming changes our managers are briefing that we will end up with too many staff. The excess will have to either volunteer to do parcel duties with shifts 1100hs to1900hs or be moved to another office who are short. Just asking if this is happening elsewhere?
The parcel duty shifts are hilarious. Zero work life balance.
If you get up early, you can actually do a fair bit before going to work at that time.
SpacePhoenix
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by SpacePhoenix »

redlen wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 17:11
Just my opinion

It depends if your contract of employment has a specific mobility clause.
About 2015/2016, they started inserting them for all new starters. But it will be irrelevant if the travelling distance is reasonable and your contracted hours do not change.
Not sure if the mobility clause was in the contracts way before then
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by aiden01 »

Barnacle wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 19:21
dudek05 wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 16:17
As part of forthcoming changes our managers are briefing that we will end up with too many staff. The excess will have to either volunteer to do parcel duties with shifts 1100hs to1900hs or be moved to another office who are short. Just asking if this is happening elsewhere?
The parcel duty shifts are hilarious. Zero work life balance.
2 to 10 shift in a mc not much fun either.
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Re: Forcing staff to move to another office

Post by Foxel »

I get shipped around a 35 mile diameter anyway covering 7 offices. It's horrible not knowing where you'll be until 7am on the day or being sent from one office to another.

My small main office is losing a round, so there will be people spare.
rambo1 wrote:
11 Feb 2023, 19:58
If you get up early, you can actually do a fair bit before going to work at that time.
I find that a struggle.
I'm turning purple!