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Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

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https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2023/02/ ... of-pounds/

A BUSINESS owner has claimed Royal Mail are costing “hundreds of pounds” after they left her customer’s “delivered” parcel in a bin.

Sophie Taylor, owner of pet business Taylor and Floof, sent a customer’s order of two jumpers and a matching sweater for their dog over two months ago.

The 27-year-old says she used Royal Mail and their tracking parcel service to ensure the £120 worth of items reached her customer in the run up to Christmas.

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Sophie’s customer “delivered” parcel in a bin. Image courtesy of Sophie Taylor.

However, Sophie was informed by the customer that the items never reached them, forcing the businesswoman to reimburse them and request a refund from Royal Mail.

Then last month, Royal Mail informed Sophie that her refund would not be granted as the parcel had been delivered – attaching a proof of delivery photo of the parcel at the bottom of a bin.

The image attached shows the green parcel sitting atop a pile of cans and plastic in what appears to be a green recycling wheelie bin.

Royal Mail claim the parcel was delivered on the morning of 21 December, despite Sophie’s customer claiming they never received it.

Taylor took to TikTok yesterday to explain her frustration.

In the video Taylor is wrapping an order whilst speaking about her experience saying: “Royal Mail is costing my small business hundreds of pounds, let me tell you why.

“During the strikes last year I had a few parcels go missing. To try and stop this (from happening), I upgraded all of the postage to tracked – this would give both me and the buyer a bit of peace of mind.

“All was going fine until the customer contacted me saying that they haven’t received their item after talking to Royal Mail they had told me that it had gotten lost and to put in a claim for a refund.

“I obviously refunded the customer as it was just before Christmas and there wasn’t enough time to get a new item sent out to her.

“One month later, I received a letter saying that Royal Mail were not going to refund me because they had in fact delivered the item.

“After I checked the tracking, they had delivered it but the picture attached was of a bin, they didn’t deliver it – they disposed of it.

“This was an order worth over £100 which they just put into a bin, the customer didn’t get their order and I’m now out of pocket – not really sure what to do now.”

The post has received more than 3,500 likes and over 160 comments.

One user wrote: “Honestly just fight your case. I’ve had this with Royal Mail quite a bit and they’ve always paid the compensation eventually.”

Another wrote: “Unless the buyer has put the safe place as their bin, you can still claim for this, don’t let them say you can’t.”

A third commented: “That’s so unfair, can you use Parcelforce? I work for a small business and they’re actually good at claims and we haven’t had an item go missing.”

One user wrote: “Royal Mail are a major part of the reason I’ve been delaying reopening my Etsy shop.”

Another replied: “Unfortunately that’s down to the actual person that was delivering your parcel, sometimes sadly people are just rubbish. Sorry this happened.”

Speaking today Sophie said: “After a week and a half I got a message from the customer asking if there was any update on the parcel.

“I confirmed I had shipped it and re-sent the tracking info but said I would look into it as it shouldn’t take that long to arrive, all other parcels were taking two to four days to arrive.

“I checked the tracking and according to the tracking the parcel hadn’t moved in the two weeks since I sent it.

“I called Royal Mail and they said if it hasn’t moved its most likely gone missing and recommended I refund the customer and put in a claim for a refund from them.

“I filled in the claim and refunded my customer as they had done nothing wrong and also it was a season-themed item so if it couldn’t arrive before Christmas wasn’t really worth it.

“On 14 January I then got a letter from Royal Mail saying they would not be refunding me as they delivered the parcel on 21 December at 10:14am.

“I checked the tracking and it said delivered but the picture was of a bin. So I now need to call Royal Mail back up and ask why it was put in the bin.

“I’m not sure if the customer can put that as a safe place if they aren’t in but I know it happens to me personally a lot where the parcel is just left outside or hidden but no note is put through the post box so its a bit of a treasure hunt to find the order.

“It does make it that one step harder for small businesses to keep going. In the current climate every order counts and genuinely means so much.

“I make sure lots of time and effort goes into every order which is one of the main reasons people buy from small businesses.

“Effort goes into the product, the wrapping, the packaging, thank you notes and for that to just be put in a bin it really hurts and makes me so upset.

“It puts the small business in a terrible situation. If you are just starting out any bad reviews will tank your Etsy store.

“So you have to refund the item because it’s not the buyers fault but its also not your fault.

“This is where you trust in the delivery company who, if at fault, need to pay out and when they don’t that affects what products I can order in or if I can even create anything new to help the business grow.

“I was literally shocked and almost cried because I know how long that order took me to create.

“Also I was annoyed it had gone into the recycling bin when the only thing that could be recycled was the outer packaging and the thank you card inside.”

A spokesperson for Royal Mail said today (THUR): “Every item of mail is important to us, and we are very sorry if something went wrong on this occasion.

“We are looking into what happened, and are in touch with our customer to address her complaint.”
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

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I understand her being upset, but why do people order stuff when they know they won't be home, and haven't nominated a safe place?
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

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neviboss wrote: ↑
07 Feb 2023, 19:54
I understand her being upset, but why do people order stuff when they know they won't be home, and haven't nominated a safe place?
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'll continue putting stuff in bins and other out of sight places till the idiots get the message.
At the end of the day you are just postmen [sic].You deserve nothing more than what's been offered and probably a lot less.
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

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neviboss wrote: ↑
07 Feb 2023, 19:54
I understand her being upset, but why do people order stuff when they know they won't be home, and haven't nominated a safe place?
I know. I had 5 Special deliveries today for example. Had to card 4 of them. I know not all of them are the customer specifically requesting that level of service, but still, it’s obvious that they should be in to receive it.

No doubt will have 4 redeliveries for said specials tomorrow, for them all to be out again or whatever :crazy:
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

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It's okay, because we'll be re-delivering for 3 days shortly then RTS, (providing there is a return address, otherwise RM will sell them to car booters/ebay sellers!).
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

Post by iHateD2Ds »

You press the a video doorbell ,a voice says " can you leave it in the bin?"

What's your reply?

Maybe RM need to have a function on the PDA to record people's request because when stuff goes missing it's your word against the customers.
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

Post by passengerpigeon »

neviboss wrote: ↑
07 Feb 2023, 19:54
I understand her being upset, but why do people order stuff when they know they won't be home, and haven't nominated a safe place?
Unfortunately this is an area where Royal Mail are behind certain other carriers. People can't sit around for hours waiting for parcels anymore.

- DPD give a 15 minute window for delivery and you can see where they are on a map. You can nominate a safeplace or re-direction at any time up to point of delivery.
- Amazon Logistics pings your phone when they're 8 stops away and you can see where they are on a map. You can nominate a safeplace or re-direction at any time up to point of delivery.
If delivery fails, it's simple to set up a re-delivery.

Royal Mail? Get a vague estimate, wait around, hope for the best.
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

Post by TopperGas »

So either the customer ignored the text message from RM telling them the parcel had been delivered and attaching the photo shown in the article, or they are lying and they did receive the parcel? Although I'm surprised RM are apparently approving parcels being put in customers bins as we've always been told never to do that,
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

Post by Pidleypoo »

passengerpigeon wrote: ↑
09 Feb 2023, 09:17
neviboss wrote: ↑
07 Feb 2023, 19:54
I understand her being upset, but why do people order stuff when they know they won't be home, and haven't nominated a safe place?
Unfortunately this is an area where Royal Mail are behind certain other carriers. People can't sit around for hours waiting for parcels anymore.

- DPD give a 15 minute window for delivery and you can see where they are on a map. You can nominate a safeplace or re-direction at any time up to point of delivery.
- Amazon Logistics pings your phone when they're 8 stops away and you can see where they are on a map. You can nominate a safeplace or re-direction at any time up to point of delivery.
If delivery fails, it's simple to set up a re-delivery.

Royal Mail? Get a vague estimate, wait around, hope for the best.
None of those companies do what we do.
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

Post by passengerpigeon »

Pidleypoo wrote: ↑
10 Feb 2023, 08:59
passengerpigeon wrote: ↑
09 Feb 2023, 09:17
neviboss wrote: ↑
07 Feb 2023, 19:54
I understand her being upset, but why do people order stuff when they know they won't be home, and haven't nominated a safe place?
Unfortunately this is an area where Royal Mail are behind certain other carriers. People can't sit around for hours waiting for parcels anymore.

- DPD give a 15 minute window for delivery and you can see where they are on a map. You can nominate a safeplace or re-direction at any time up to point of delivery.
- Amazon Logistics pings your phone when they're 8 stops away and you can see where they are on a map. You can nominate a safeplace or re-direction at any time up to point of delivery.
If delivery fails, it's simple to set up a re-delivery.

Royal Mail? Get a vague estimate, wait around, hope for the best.
None of those companies do what we do.
With parcels, yes they do. RM are not special when it comes to parcels.
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

Post by Tman »

Wolf91 wrote: ↑
07 Feb 2023, 22:05
I know. I had 5 Special deliveries today for example. Had to card 4 of them. I know not all of them are the customer specifically requesting that level of service, but still, it’s obvious that they should be in to receive it.
Yep, how stupid are they? Fancy daring to order stuff and then not sitting in their front room for a few days waiting for the delivery to turn up?
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

Post by Pidleypoo »

passengerpigeon wrote: ↑
10 Feb 2023, 10:48
Pidleypoo wrote: ↑
10 Feb 2023, 08:59
passengerpigeon wrote: ↑
09 Feb 2023, 09:17
neviboss wrote: ↑
07 Feb 2023, 19:54
I understand her being upset, but why do people order stuff when they know they won't be home, and haven't nominated a safe place?
Unfortunately this is an area where Royal Mail are behind certain other carriers. People can't sit around for hours waiting for parcels anymore.

- DPD give a 15 minute window for delivery and you can see where they are on a map. You can nominate a safeplace or re-direction at any time up to point of delivery.
- Amazon Logistics pings your phone when they're 8 stops away and you can see where they are on a map. You can nominate a safeplace or re-direction at any time up to point of delivery.
If delivery fails, it's simple to set up a re-delivery.

Royal Mail? Get a vague estimate, wait around, hope for the best.
None of those companies do what we do.
With parcels, yes they do. RM are not special when it comes to parcels.
We don’t just deliver parcels so your point is entirely redundant.
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Re: Business owner claims Royal Mail are costing her "hundreds of pounds" after leaving customers "delivered" parcel in bin

Post by passengerpigeon »

Pidleypoo wrote: ↑
10 Feb 2023, 20:18
passengerpigeon wrote: ↑
10 Feb 2023, 10:48
Pidleypoo wrote: ↑
10 Feb 2023, 08:59
passengerpigeon wrote: ↑
09 Feb 2023, 09:17
neviboss wrote: ↑
07 Feb 2023, 19:54
I understand her being upset, but why do people order stuff when they know they won't be home, and haven't nominated a safe place?
Unfortunately this is an area where Royal Mail are behind certain other carriers. People can't sit around for hours waiting for parcels anymore.

- DPD give a 15 minute window for delivery and you can see where they are on a map. You can nominate a safeplace or re-direction at any time up to point of delivery.
- Amazon Logistics pings your phone when they're 8 stops away and you can see where they are on a map. You can nominate a safeplace or re-direction at any time up to point of delivery.
If delivery fails, it's simple to set up a re-delivery.

Royal Mail? Get a vague estimate, wait around, hope for the best.
None of those companies do what we do.
With parcels, yes they do. RM are not special when it comes to parcels.
We don’t just deliver parcels so your point is entirely redundant.
Errr.. the topic is about parcels. The future of RM, apparently, is parcels. Others - some, not all, do it much better than RM. Most, not all, are cheaper than RM. Maybe it's RM workers that will become redundant?
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Customers do tell postman to leave in bin through the door ring bell system that may have been the case
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Post by Pidleypoo »

So you’re as uninformed as they are then.

Royal Mail don’t only do parcels and letters will be part of the business for years to come.

Why would we become redundant when there’s too much work for us to cope with ? You should also realise jobs become redundant, not people.

I could list a lot of reasons why this article and your contribution is nonsense but I really can’t be bothered.