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Talks my arse

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Acca Dacca
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Re: Talks my arse

Post by Acca Dacca »

POSTPERSON50 wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 15:48
Halfhappy wrote:
19 Jan 2023, 17:12
There's no advantage for RM to make a serious offer till they've seen result of the next ballot. They'd be mad to give us a decent offer, when there's a possibility of a 'No' result, or even a 'Yes' result that fails to reach the threshold. A 'No' result would allow them to do whatever they want, completely unabated. Till then they'll offer breadcrumbs to hold further action at bay. A strong 'Yes' result is the only thing that's gonna return anything for us.
What is a strong 'yes' result? 95%? Personally I think it will be 87 to 88% which would definitely not be strong
Of course 88% is strong :chuckle
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Halfhappy
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Re: Talks my arse

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POSTPERSON50 wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 15:48
Halfhappy wrote:
19 Jan 2023, 17:12
There's no advantage for RM to make a serious offer till they've seen result of the next ballot. They'd be mad to give us a decent offer, when there's a possibility of a 'No' result, or even a 'Yes' result that fails to reach the threshold. A 'No' result would allow them to do whatever they want, completely unabated. Till then they'll offer breadcrumbs to hold further action at bay. A strong 'Yes' result is the only thing that's gonna return anything for us.
What is a strong 'yes' result? 95%? Personally I think it will be 87 to 88% which would definitely not be strong
How's 88% not strong? It's 36%pts more than the people who voted for Brexit, and 44%pts more than the people who voted for the last government. 88% is well over the ballot threshold, and casts aside any doubt that could be questioned upon the result.
sixfoottwo
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Re: Talks my arse

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It's going to be 90%+ but 88% is still strong!
Woody Guthrie
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Re: Talks my arse

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POSTPERSON50 wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 15:48

What is a strong 'yes' result? 95%? Personally I think it will be 87 to 88% which would definitely not be strong
To be honest we've been spoiled by very high results and turnouts that are not really that common across most industries.

Anything above an 80% Yes on a 60%+ turnout is actually a strong result.
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Re: Talks my arse

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Acca Dacca wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 15:57
POSTPERSON50 wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 15:48
Halfhappy wrote:
19 Jan 2023, 17:12
There's no advantage for RM to make a serious offer till they've seen result of the next ballot. They'd be mad to give us a decent offer, when there's a possibility of a 'No' result, or even a 'Yes' result that fails to reach the threshold. A 'No' result would allow them to do whatever they want, completely unabated. Till then they'll offer breadcrumbs to hold further action at bay. A strong 'Yes' result is the only thing that's gonna return anything for us.
What is a strong 'yes' result? 95%? Personally I think it will be 87 to 88% which would definitely not be strong
Of course 88% is strong :chuckle
Ok, put it this way.. if 12% (1 in 8) of posties decided to break a strike our position would be seriously weakened.
Halfhappy
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Re: Talks my arse

Post by Halfhappy »

POSTPERSON50 wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 20:15
Acca Dacca wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 15:57
POSTPERSON50 wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 15:48
Halfhappy wrote:
19 Jan 2023, 17:12
There's no advantage for RM to make a serious offer till they've seen result of the next ballot. They'd be mad to give us a decent offer, when there's a possibility of a 'No' result, or even a 'Yes' result that fails to reach the threshold. A 'No' result would allow them to do whatever they want, completely unabated. Till then they'll offer breadcrumbs to hold further action at bay. A strong 'Yes' result is the only thing that's gonna return anything for us.
What is a strong 'yes' result? 95%? Personally I think it will be 87 to 88% which would definitely not be strong
Of course 88% is strong :chuckle
Ok, put it this way.. if 12% (1 in 8) of posties decided to break a strike our position would be seriously weakened.
Not really. Firstly, just because someone votes no, doesn't necessarily mean they'll cross a picket line. The 98% result wasn't on a 100% turn out. Secondly, the power of the 'Yes' result is the result itself. It creates leverage, and forces an unreasonable employer to the table. The goal isn't to be on strike. Let's just say, though, the 12%, who may vote no, do cross the line, that's still over 100k not crossing the line.
guardianangel
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Re: Talks my arse

Post by guardianangel »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 17:11
POSTPERSON50 wrote:
23 Jan 2023, 15:48

What is a strong 'yes' result? 95%? Personally I think it will be 87 to 88% which would definitely not be strong
To be honest we've been spoiled by very high results and turnouts that are not really that common across most industries.

Anything above an 80% Yes on a 60%+ turnout is actually a strong result.
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Re: Talks my arse

Post by guardianangel »

IM VOTING YES !!!!!! we didn't come this far to jack it in,and what cabbage would not vote yes with how they are going to casualise our jobs it makes no sense and who would want a job with those conditions,imagine doing a 44 hour week at xmas and getting paid 37 and no overtime,VOTE YES its our only hope.