Talks my arse

[Clappedoutpostie]

It's 100% relevant. They'll have to compromise. All disputes end with compromise. If there's no 'Yes' result there is no dispute.

They need a compromise. You can see on a daily basis now the effect industrial action is having. Other couriers were maybe not so much of an option over Xmas as the dispute at RM knackered all the other couriers up. Now they are doing our work as capacity isn’t an issue. RM need a deal so we can get the work back and start building the company back up rather than then talking it down, without one the company is finished.

[walthmstowman]

Talks ?
Anyone else just think these talks are going to end with us striking and Royal Mail digging in what’s summer strikes going to do exactly jack all?
Then there pushing through changes already we have seen

Clocking in and out
Mail
Centre revisions
Delivery office revisions upcoming and
Yesterday we had new contracts for the new starters annualised hours

Seems to me there going to roll it through anyway

And then what happens when all their changes turn to s**t ? Who will they blame ?

[walthmstowman]

Yes mostly done before the end of march

Well more strikes it us then !

[walthmstowman]

It's 100% relevant. They'll have to compromise. All disputes end with compromise. If there's no 'Yes' result there is no dispute.

They need a compromise. You can see on a daily basis now the effect industrial action is having. Other couriers were maybe not so much of an option over Xmas as the dispute at RM knackered all the other couriers up. Now they are doing our work as capacity isn’t an issue. RM need a deal so we can get the work back and start building the company back up rather than then talking it down, without one the company is finished.

That’s what the union has been saying but Thompson and co wasn’t interested. Now look at the damage management have done and for what?

[Seymour Buts]

There's no advantage for RM to make a serious offer till they've seen result of the next ballot. They'd be mad to give us a decent offer, when there's a possibility of a 'No' result, or even a 'Yes' result that fails to reach the threshold. A 'No' result would allow them to do whatever they want, completely unabated. Till then they'll offer breadcrumbs to hold further action at bay. A strong 'Yes' result is the only thing that's gonna return anything for us.

The worst possible outcome is a yes vote, but one that just crosses the threshold in my opinion. It'll split the workforce and put the union in a difficult position.

There are a number of people in my office are voting no. I've try to persuade them that even if they cross pickets lines ultimately, vote yes anyway as it's actually more likely to avoid further strikes if it's a decent yes vote.

[Trumanity]

There's no advantage for RM to make a serious offer till they've seen result of the next ballot. They'd be mad to give us a decent offer, when there's a possibility of a 'No' result, or even a 'Yes' result that fails to reach the threshold. A 'No' result would allow them to do whatever they want, completely unabated. Till then they'll offer breadcrumbs to hold further action at bay. A strong 'Yes' result is the only thing that's gonna return anything for us.

A strong yes vote is completely irrelevant. They will go ahead regardless.

It's 100% relevant. They'll have to compromise. All disputes end with compromise. If there's no 'Yes' result there is no dispute.

Compromise is for the birds. They don't give a hoot about what we think. I think you'll find that what Mr. Kretinsky wants, Mr. Kretinsky gets!

He clearly isn't getting what he wants. No business can ignore 115,000 workers causing long term disruption, delays, and all round unreliability.

They can if its a fire sale

[Sbutts8182]

You are either voting yes and backing the union or no and backing Simon Thompson, it’s that simple. If you voted yes last time, I don’t see any reason why you would vote no this time, things are 100 times worse.

[clashcityrocker]

It's 100% relevant. They'll have to compromise. All disputes end with compromise.

They have compromised on compulsory redundancies, legacy payments, Sunday working and start times.
What are we compromising on?

[Halfhappy]

It's 100% relevant. They'll have to compromise. All disputes end with compromise.

They have compromised on compulsory redundancies, legacy payments, Sunday working and start times.
What are we compromising on?

The negotiation is not over, it's only when it ends, that can be truly answered. There will be compromise though. The only way there won't, is if there's a 'No' result, which will ultimately just end all negotiation, and give RM the go ahead to do everything they want and beyond.

[clashcityrocker]

..... and give RM the go ahead to do everything they want and beyond.

They are going to do everything they want.
They might not do some of the things they have tossed in to create confusion but the nuts and bolts of the deal will be on their terms.

Are we compromising or capitulating?

[Clappedoutpostie]

It's 100% relevant. They'll have to compromise. All disputes end with compromise.

They have compromised on compulsory redundancies, legacy payments, Sunday working and start times.
What are we compromising on?

IHR is back on the chopping block to pay for the above.

[Halfhappy]

..... and give RM the go ahead to do everything they want and beyond.

They are going to do everything they want.
They might not do some of the things they have tossed in to create confusion but the nuts and bolts of the deal will be on their terms.

Are we compromising or capitulating?

The compromise the membership have made is not to withdraw our labour, while negotiations are currently ongoing. We are not capitulating, our representatives are negotiating on our behalf.

[Trumanity]

There's no advantage for RM to make a serious offer till they've seen result of the next ballot. They'd be mad to give us a decent offer, when there's a possibility of a 'No' result, or even a 'Yes' result that fails to reach the threshold. A 'No' result would allow them to do whatever they want, completely unabated. Till then they'll offer breadcrumbs to hold further action at bay. A strong 'Yes' result is the only thing that's gonna return anything for us.

A strong yes vote is completely irrelevant. They will go ahead regardless.

It's 100% relevant. They'll have to compromise. All disputes end with compromise. If there's no 'Yes' result there is no dispute.

Compromise is for the birds. They don't give a hoot about what we think. I think you'll find that what Mr. Kretinsky wants, Mr. Kretinsky gets!

He clearly isn't getting what he wants. No business can ignore 115,000 workers causing long term disruption, delays, and all round unreliability.

They said no to CR's. Do you think they were sincere?

[Nickvilla20]

There's no advantage for RM to make a serious offer till they've seen result of the next ballot. They'd be mad to give us a decent offer, when there's a possibility of a 'No' result, or even a 'Yes' result that fails to reach the threshold. A 'No' result would allow them to do whatever they want, completely unabated. Till then they'll offer breadcrumbs to hold further action at bay. A strong 'Yes' result is the only thing that's gonna return anything for us.

A strong yes vote is completely irrelevant. They will go ahead regardless.

It's 100% relevant. They'll have to compromise. All disputes end with compromise. If there's no 'Yes' result there is no dispute.

Compromise is for the birds. They don't give a hoot about what we think. I think you'll find that what Mr. Kretinsky wants, Mr. Kretinsky gets!

He clearly isn't getting what he wants. No business can ignore 115,000 workers causing long term disruption, delays, and all round unreliability.

They said no to CR's. Do you think they were sincere?

They won’t need them. People are already leaving in their droves. We’ve lost 11 staff this year alone most with under 12 months service.

Three more go on VR so that’s at least 14 staff who would have left.

[Halfhappy]

There's no advantage for RM to make a serious offer till they've seen result of the next ballot. They'd be mad to give us a decent offer, when there's a possibility of a 'No' result, or even a 'Yes' result that fails to reach the threshold. A 'No' result would allow them to do whatever they want, completely unabated. Till then they'll offer breadcrumbs to hold further action at bay. A strong 'Yes' result is the only thing that's gonna return anything for us.

A strong yes vote is completely irrelevant. They will go ahead regardless.

It's 100% relevant. They'll have to compromise. All disputes end with compromise. If there's no 'Yes' result there is no dispute.

Compromise is for the birds. They don't give a hoot about what we think. I think you'll find that what Mr. Kretinsky wants, Mr. Kretinsky gets!

He clearly isn't getting what he wants. No business can ignore 115,000 workers causing long term disruption, delays, and all round unreliability.

They said no to CR's. Do you think they were sincere?

Do u mean RM said "NO CRs", or the CWU said "NO TO CRs"? All I can say is there's more to this dispute than CR, and a concession solely to that falls woefully below anything that's acceptable. Do I think RM were sincere? I'd like to think they were, however I think we can surely agree, the CEO does not instil this feeling in this workforce.