Lost appetite for strike

[Halfhappy]

Do you lot actually think now Xmas and January is out the way Royal Mail give a toss if we strike or
Not with the new torrie laws in place meaning they’ll be a workforce in place

Live in la la land

The new laws only propose a minimum service level for public sector workers, don't they? I don't think we come within the remit of them.

[FilthyBloke]

Do you lot think now Xmas and January are out of the way Royal Mail give a toss if we strike or
Not with the new Torrie laws in place meaning they’ll be a workforce in place

Live in la la land

I concur with you. Apparently, Royal Mail is thinking about rescinding its last improved pay offer of 9% because it incurred over £600 million of losses through the strike over the X-mas and new year. The business can no longer afford it. So it's likely to be revised down to less than 6%. They also canceled the dividend. So this has also affected the shareholders. That's not all. Royal Mail is likely to bulldoze through the changes they want without blessings from the Union. Because they know getting the union onboard is not just a waste of time but also impossible. With Xmas and new year out of the way, the table has turned in their favor so there is very little the union can do.

I hope the strike breakers get the original offer and the rest get this ‘revised’ offer.

[FilthyBloke]

Do you lot think now Xmas and January are out of the way Royal Mail give a toss if we strike or
Not with the new Torrie laws in place meaning they’ll be a workforce in place

Live in la la land

I concur with you. Apparently, Royal Mail is thinking about rescinding its last improved pay offer of 9% because it incurred over £600 million of losses through the strike over the X-mas and new year. The business can no longer afford it. So it's likely to be revised down to less than 6%. They also canceled the dividend. So this has also affected the shareholders. That's not all. Royal Mail is likely to bulldoze through the changes they want without blessings from the Union. Because they know getting the union onboard is not just a waste of time but also impossible. With Xmas and new year out of the way, the table has turned in their favor so there is very little the union can do.

If the above is true it means we will get maybe a no additional 4% raise (as we have already received 2%) but most posties have given up about 4% of their wages by striking so essentially they will be getting zero pay raise with lots of changes!

[Halfhappy]

Do you lot think now Xmas and January are out of the way Royal Mail give a toss if we strike or
Not with the new Torrie laws in place meaning they’ll be a workforce in place

Live in la la land

I concur with you. Apparently, Royal Mail is thinking about rescinding its last improved pay offer of 9% because it incurred over £600 million of losses through the strike over the X-mas and new year. The business can no longer afford it. So it's likely to be revised down to less than 6%. They also canceled the dividend. So this has also affected the shareholders. That's not all. Royal Mail is likely to bulldoze through the changes they want without blessings from the Union. Because they know getting the union onboard is not just a waste of time but also impossible. With Xmas and new year out of the way, the table has turned in their favor so there is very little the union can do.

This is exactly the opposite of what is currently happening. RM have returned to the pathway to change agreement, and have brought in CWU involvement at local level to agree change.

[Halfhappy]

If the above is true it means we will get maybe a no additional 4% raise (as we have already received 2%) but most posties have given up about 4% of their wages by striking so essentially they will be getting zero pay raise with lots of changes!

Thats not how pay rises work, they're permanently on your pay, not just a one off payment.

[POSTPERSON50]

All moving far too slowly, the usual corbinites on here will jump to the unions defence but they’re out of their depth, any deal is gonna be nowhere near what was sold….do your own thing cos the guy next to you in the workplace will f**k you over in a heartbeat….I’ll personally continue to observe strike days but won’t be standing out like a Wally with a brolly any longer

When you have two sides in a dispute at such a polar opposite there is no middle ground to be found.

The union will eventually kick the can down the road by agreeing that no big changes will be made for 12 months whilst more 'meaningful talks' go on and on and on.

The business has us where it wants us, stuck in limbo while they carry on doing as they like.

I can't handle another cheesy CWU 'you guys are amazing' Facebook session. We aren't amazing. We want some progress.

[scoobydo79]

Really hard to motivate with such wishy washy feedback and leadership

I agree, Thompson doesn't motivate me at all !!!

What even after seeing him on RM Television? Lol I’ve never seen My lot leave the room so quick. No one gave a F about what He had to say!

[Halfhappy]

All moving far too slowly, the usual corbinites on here will jump to the unions defence but they’re out of their depth, any deal is gonna be nowhere near what was sold….do your own thing cos the guy next to you in the workplace will f**k you over in a heartbeat….I’ll personally continue to observe strike days but won’t be standing out like a Wally with a brolly any longer

When you have two sides in a dispute at such a polar opposite there is no middle ground to be found.

The union will eventually kick the can down the road by agreeing that no big changes will be made for 12 months whilst more 'meaningful talks' go on and on and on.

The business has us where it wants us, stuck in limbo while they carry on doing as they like.

I can't handle another cheesy CWU 'you guys are amazing' Facebook session. We aren't amazing. We want some progress.

They don't have us where they want us at all. They want us gone, we're still here. You also don't have to watch the Facebook session, I have a feeling you will though. I mean, u won't be able to criticise it if you don't, will you?

[Woody Guthrie]

There is more pressure on the business to agree a deal now than there ever has been.

The strikes have been incredibly damaging for Royal Mail financially and reputationally and they must deploy a recovery plan at pace.

The thought of deploying these revisions against the will of the staff has most managers terrified because they know after the capitulation of the CMA last year they have no protection if they fail.

The bottom line is you can criticise the union all you like but they are the only people in the room who talk for us.

Even if you don't support the CWU strategy or think that all is lost it makes no sense to withdraw your support, If you do that you're actually giving the union a free pass to say that they could have reached an agreement but the members let them down.

If you truly believe the union has failed the best thing to do is make sure you vote yes in the upcoming ballot to force the negotiators to take full ownership of the final outcome of the dispute.

Criticism of HQ is fine, I've done plenty of it in the past but you have to at least think through the consequences of any alternative.

What will withdrawing support for the union achieve?

[mattick]

Why is it so silent? Is this a calm before the storm, or have you GUYS really lost appetite for the strike?

A: What’s the point in striking now? RM gonna be like please do strike, we save £15 million a day in wages with little to no disruption.
B: We achieved our main objective of saving the union and keeping it strong. Simon thought most OPG’s would cross the picket line in November, come Xmas eve 90%+ still behind the union. RM won’t do that again!

[guardianangel]

Royal Mail will drag it out and there will be no agreement until the result of the ballot ,why would they show their hand to early if the cwu dont get the ballot through we are done for,get a massive yes vote and we could scupper all their plans and lose them a shed load of money ,a massive yes vote is needed again,im voting YES !!!!!!!

[sindba]

Well in our office they want to lapse around 25% of the duties.

No-one finishes early and walks fail daily already.

So I'll be voting yes in the re-ballot. It's the only tool we have to fight this madness.

[Ppat98]

There is more pressure on the business to agree a deal now than there ever has been.

The strikes have been incredibly damaging for Royal Mail financially and reputationally and they must deploy a recovery plan at pace.

Agree it has been damaging, they can't continue business like this as it will threaten them losing more contracts with businesses. Like they did with Curry's.

It does seem a little bleak though cause they have already published our new start & finish time's, someone posted the list on here the other day. If that is set to happen without union participation then what else are we fighting for. Yeah we want a pay rise, good sick leave term's etc aswell but the start & finish time's was 1 of the main reasons for us striking.

Seems like RM are trying to push things through before any new ballot & then we will be asking what's the point if they have already changed it.

[Binsey]

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Do you lot actually think now Xmas and January is out the way Royal Mail give a toss if we strike or
Not with the new torrie laws in place meaning they’ll be a workforce in place

Live in la la land
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The new laws only propose a minimum service level for public sector workers, don't they? I don't think we come within the remit of them.
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Erm… I thought we were Key Workers?

The law if implemented will definitely apply to us.

[sindba]

Do you lot actually think now Xmas and January is out the way Royal Mail give a toss if we strike or
Not with the new torrie laws in place meaning they’ll be a workforce in place

Live in la la land

The new laws only propose a minimum service level for public sector workers, don't they? I don't think we come within the remit of them.

Erm… I thought we were Key Workers?

The law if implemented will definitely apply to us.

It won't.

It will cover NHS, Education, Fire, Borders and Nuclear.