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sindba
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Re: What now

Post by sindba »

redlen wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 14:27
Salary is decided on what the board decides, not one individual with an advanced busness plan.
Hi redlen :wave

Any word when the sackings for the 24th will start?

Must be soon, you were shouting endlessly on here about it. Post after post. Scary stuff.
hazzeem025
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Re: What now

Post by hazzeem025 »

redlen wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 14:02
With any privatised industry, the overriding objectives in law are with maximising profits for investors. That is why the Board paid that 400 million to shareholders based on the previous 12 months revenue.
The joys of capitalism. What a system. Where does it end though? Isn't it the boards/CEO'S job to grow a business? All the R.M board/CEO have done since privatisation is cut, cut, cut. What happens when there's nothing left to cut?

Lets close all the CSP's! Great idea!! That'll save nothing in the long run. Let's try and redeliver that parcel 3 times! Whoa!! Another great idea! What's that going to save? Nothing, nowt! Just cost the people trying to redeliver it even more time, on their already unachievable delivery.

Let's get rid of 3 full time duties out of an office with 350 hours of vacancies! Yeah!! Great idea! We can make all the duties half an hour bigger! That'll save loads of money!! Except it won't because most of existing duties are already to big, so people will just bring it back.

This business is run by idiots. None of them are fit to run a business. None of them have a clue what goes on in delivery offices because the COMS aren't allowed to tell the truth for fear of reprisals from area/sector managers. Seriously how does someone as abysmal as Simon Thompson become CEO of a company with a multi billion pound turnover? Especially with his traincrash of a track record. It's who you know in this miserable, Tory led, corrupt country.
needadvice
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Re: What now

Post by needadvice »

It would be nice if the CWU produced a 3 minute video that captures the story and events and the reasons why we are in this dispute so we can show to friends and family as I'm tired of trying to explain myself that it's not just about pay and that the mainstream media only give a few limited bits of coverage. Get as many people to watch the video as possible. Print out leaflets with a YouTube link to the video and give it to customers on your rounds. It needs to go viral
sweepster70
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Re: What now

Post by sweepster70 »

redlen wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 14:27
Salary is decided on what the board decides, not one individual with an advanced busness plan.

If a company wasn't unionised the board would decide the wages and everything else. A Unionised workforce wages are based on collective bargaining. They don't get wholly what they want and we don't either.
redlen
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Re: What now

Post by redlen »

The difference between major employers in The European Union and the UK is that they as routine have a trade union official on the board of directors as a consultant. That is why trade disputes in the EU are short lived as they cooperate with each other for the welfare of the company and employees.

Trade Unionism in the UK has always been histrorically adversarial with a left wing agenda. The Hooper government inquiry in 2009 with Royal Mail identified a culture of an Us and Them agenda. The same can be said for the RMT.
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Halfhappy
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Re: What now

Post by Halfhappy »

cobrakai wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 11:46
priority102 wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 08:59
Eduardo wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 19:06
Wullie10 wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 18:21
It's only institutionalised postmen who think the earth spins around the office.
What's an Institutionalised Postman?
What does that mean?
An institutionalised postie is one who has been with RM for many years, sometimes never having worked anywhere else, thinks the earth rotates around their duty and delivery office, and cannot envisage any other job outside of being a postie.
Or someone that has left this godawful business then instead of getting a life outside of it… still posts on a Royal Mail employee website most days…..
:Applause :Applause
timbo1234
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Re: What now

Post by timbo1234 »

redlen wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 17:54
The difference between major employers in The European Union and the UK is that they as routine have a trade union official on the board of directors as a consultant. That is why trade disputes in the EU are short lived as they cooperate with each other for the welfare of the company and employees.

Trade Unionism in the UK has always been histrorically adversarial with a left wing agenda. The Hooper government inquiry in 2009 with Royal Mail identified a culture of an Us and Them agenda. The same can be said for the RMT.
In my opinion it goes deeper than that. Trades Unions were born out a necessity to protect workers from terrible working conditions. They are also woven into the class system that is still so prevalent even today. Trades Unions are also fair game for the right wing Tory press which print stories about trotskyist members stirring up revolution. Anything that threatens the class system in this country is immediately castigated. Until this country realises that the class system is perpetuated by the few supported by the powerful it will remain. I forget the actual figure but in the UK isn't it 1% of the population have 90% of the wealth. Most of the wealth is land and titles dating back to Magna Carta.
norris9
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Re: What now

Post by norris9 »

Have the CWU and Royal Mail even been talking since before Xmas?

Would be nice if the CWU update us with that.
ANDREW CROCOMBE
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Re: What now

Post by ANDREW CROCOMBE »

Happy New Year ? CWU please don't agree a deal say : 10% plus lump sum, probably no Sunday working and say duties 1 hour longer - letting Royal Mail bring in everything else. Rumours of managers swapping your duties, splitting up pairings, giving non -drivers the single duties near the d/o, putting older postie's with young runners, all fill me with dread. As I've said many times, only the parcel deliveries need sorting NOTHING else,
in my opinion.
SpacePhoenix
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Re: What now

Post by SpacePhoenix »

ANDREW CROCOMBE wrote:
01 Jan 2023, 11:36
Happy New Year ? CWU please don't agree a deal say : 10% plus lump sum, probably no Sunday working and say duties 1 hour longer - letting Royal Mail bring in everything else. Rumours of managers swapping your duties, splitting up pairings, giving non -drivers the single duties near the d/o, putting older postie's with young runners, all fill me with dread. As I've said many times, only the parcel deliveries need sorting NOTHING else,
in my opinion.
My gut feeling is that from next week we'll see the start of RM bring in s**tloads of Executive Action on various things in both MCs and DOs
ted_e_bear
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Re: What now

Post by ted_e_bear »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
01 Jan 2023, 12:06
ANDREW CROCOMBE wrote:
01 Jan 2023, 11:36
Happy New Year ? CWU please don't agree a deal say : 10% plus lump sum, probably no Sunday working and say duties 1 hour longer - letting Royal Mail bring in everything else. Rumours of managers swapping your duties, splitting up pairings, giving non -drivers the single duties near the d/o, putting older postie's with young runners, all fill me with dread. As I've said many times, only the parcel deliveries need sorting NOTHING else,
in my opinion.
My gut feeling is that from next week we'll see the start of RM bring in s**tloads of Executive Action on various things in both MCs and DOs
This thread although it's gone completely off topic less than half way through

viewtopic.php?f=87&t=108256

Looks like the start of such exec action.
guardianangel
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Re: What now

Post by guardianangel »

They had better hurry up and make up their mind ,they are bringing in the changes to sick pay as we speak,was told saturday you must have a sick note or positive covid test result from day 1 of sickness or we won't be paid,we keep getting told they can't do it but they are,losing deliveries in the resign,told its not with union agreement but they are doing it,by the time the end of February comes it could of changed forever and will never go back,the strikes need to start asap or else we are done for.
Wolf91
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Re: What now

Post by Wolf91 »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
01 Jan 2023, 12:06
ANDREW CROCOMBE wrote:
01 Jan 2023, 11:36
Happy New Year ? CWU please don't agree a deal say : 10% plus lump sum, probably no Sunday working and say duties 1 hour longer - letting Royal Mail bring in everything else. Rumours of managers swapping your duties, splitting up pairings, giving non -drivers the single duties near the d/o, putting older postie's with young runners, all fill me with dread. As I've said many times, only the parcel deliveries need sorting NOTHING else,
in my opinion.
My gut feeling is that from next week we'll see the start of RM bring in s**tloads of Executive Action on various things in both MCs and DOs
“My gut feeling is…”

They should put that on your gravestone SP.

Good job for us that your “gut feeling” is usually the exact opposite of what happens, too
:thumbup
FilthyBloke
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Re: What now

Post by FilthyBloke »

I don’t think much will be agreed until April.
That’s when we will get a 13/14% pay rise with quite a few changes imo.
CWU will claim victory but it will only be such a pay rise because we haven’t had one this year.
I doubt much will be back dated either.

Might even be that ST steps down around then so a new CEO can come in with a deal already made so he is starting from a clean slate and can start his slashing terms philosophy Without his workforce and the union being on his back straight away…
aiden01
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Re: What now

Post by aiden01 »

guardianangel wrote:
01 Jan 2023, 19:58
They had better hurry up and make up their mind ,they are bringing in the changes to sick pay as we speak,was told saturday you must have a sick note or positive covid test result from day 1 of sickness or we won't be paid,we keep getting told they can't do it but they are,losing deliveries in the resign,told its not with union agreement but they are doing it,by the time the end of February comes it could of changed forever and will never go back,the strikes need to start asap or else we are done for.
All the strikes so far have,nt stopped them what makes you think more strikes will.