CWU : The 12 week sacking thing if on strike.

[49erman]

Royal mail havent exactly made any effort to settle this dispute have they! The cwu offered to cancel last week's strikes, royal mail turned them down. Cwu offered to call off these two up and coming strikes royal mail turned them down.

RM don’t need to settle, the Mail centres are clear

[Ali831]

So do we strike and hope RM don't issue everyone with new contracts on lower hourly rates and all the other changes they want take or leave it, or cross the picket line for one day so they can't do it to those that have worked? We go in take full breaks, no running, cutting corners and finish on time??. I feel RM are giving us a rope and we are about to hang ourselves and I'm concerned like many others of the repercussions. Why the hell did CWU choose 24th as a strike day knowing what it would mean

[Caesar]

Tony Bouch

For attention of all CWU Branches and Members

As stated on the CWU FB Live yesterday by Dave Ward, General Secretary. The legislation in place does allow after a 12 week period of Industrial Action for an employer to dismiss however that is also dependent upon discussions/talks and attempts to resolve the dispute during this period taking place.

In addition, just so everyone is absolutely crystal clear on this, no one employee can be targeted over that aspect. It would have to mean the employer (Royal Mail Group) having to dismiss all employees and in this case would mean all circa 128,000 employees.

So no individual CWU member could be selectively targeted by the business for taking strike action on Saturday 24th December and likewise any future action.

I believe an LTB is being issued today by CWU HQ, but in the meantime feel free to share the above to all your Reps and Members if that helps.

I don’t think that this post helps much.
It’s been a known concern for a while and now we are told by the CWU that we CAN be dismissed after 12 weeks although it’s unlikely.
We are used to the Royal Mail legal team pulling rabbits out of the hat so confirmation that the CWU legal team have covered all bases would be more helpful.

The above post says that if used RMG would have to dismiss all circa 128000 employees. Is that number the amount of staff expected to be striking on the 24th ?

[redlen]

Because the CWU should have balloted six weeks ago so the protections continue after Christmas.

My guess is that they thought it would be all over by Christmas and were trying to save money.

Ballots are expensive

[Surreypostie]

Because the CWU should have balloted six weeks ago so the protections continue after Christmas.

My guess is that they thought it would be all over by Christmas and were trying to save money.

Ballots are expensive

The Union keep telling us to stay strong and we will win this, hands up if you think that's the case? The majority in my office, as solid as it has been now think it is going to be a waste of time.

[Caesar]

Because the CWU should have balloted six weeks ago so the protections continue after Christmas.

My guess is that they thought it woud be all over by Christmas and were trying to save money.

Ballots are expensive

Does a new ballot mean that it’s a new strike under the 12 week rule ?

[redlen]

Yes, a new ballot has been called for the 16 January but, it will take six weeks to give notification on future strikes so looking at the end of February

[Surreypostie]

So do we strike and hope RM don't issue everyone with new contracts on lower hourly rates and all the other changes they want take or leave it, or cross the picket line for one day so they can't do it to those that have worked? We go in take full breaks, no running, cutting corners and finish on time??. I feel RM are giving us a rope and we are about to hang ourselves and I'm concerned like many others of the repercussions. Why the hell did CWU choose 24th as a strike day knowing what it would mean

1970's mentality comrad. Strike. They still believe we can win this if we stay strong. I still believe in Father Christmas.

[LaggyBand]

This post is admitting you will be in breach of your contract of employment for striking on the 24 December.

Taking strike action on the 24 December will mean you are in breach of your contract of employment and subject to the disciplinary process.

Lawfully taking IA is technically breach of contract regardless of the 12 week issue.

Agreed and this is why this guy can’t give legal advice

[Ali831]

It's probably also the reason calling off the next 2 strike days was turned down. Simon wants us to strike and to break the 12 week rule.

[redlen]

But he is acting on instructions from the CWU as a representative of that institution. In his position as an NEC/PEC member it will be expected he is aware of the legal aspects of calling a strike.

This is incitement with causing industrial unrest and the Royal Mail legal team will exploit to the max as propaganda

[smartin1982]

Honestly you can’t make this s**t up.
How long have people been putting this question to colleagues, reps and senior CWU officials?!!
Over and over again it’s been ignored until 36hrs before when they finally acknowledge it and come back with “yeah, you’ll be in breach of your contract but don’t worry , they can’t sack you all”

If it weren’t so serious I’d be pissing myself at how amateurish this lot are .
I’m a staunch striker and will stand up for what’s right but this isn’t good enough. Never should we have even been anywhere near this situation nevermind in it.
We need better

[manchesterpunk]

And what if Royal Mail do tear up 128,000 contracts legally on the 24th December? Then offer new ones when we return?

I’m genuinely thinking about what to do on the 24th, one thing is for sure, when we’ve had all week to strike without repercussion is that I am coming out of the union. f***ing idiots.

[matthew68]

Well maybe they already discussed this and Thompson is possibly going to sac the lot of us under this technically . He will just bring in agency staff!

Yeah and all 100,000+ of us would just say “ah fair enough sure” and go off our merry ways

Some of you on here are mental

Well Mental health is very high at the moment I’m guessing and people are genuinely concerned, nothing is beyond Thompson as we’ve seen already

[awalkinthepark]

Calm yourself down. Enjoy your extended Christmas.