CWU Postal Executive formally rejects Royal Mail Group surrender document

[wandle]

What’s worrying is that ST will have known these conditions will be rejected.
And that the Christmas strikes will go ahead now.
But after that? The leverage the CWU might have right now is that christmas strikes will hit the company hard. But after January offers no leverage at all. So what then?

Is this literally the last hoorah? One final roll of the dice?

ST is aware of this and I have been concerned for some time that he has been willing to sacrifice this Christmas to get what he wants. Plus a lot of posties won’t be able to afford indefinite strikes. The cost of living ain’t coming down.

I’ve been in Royal Mail for many, many years.
Although Christmas strikes have almost happened on multiple occasions, I can’t recall us actually BEING on strike in the run-up to Christmas. So I don’t know how much carnage they would cause. But I would be amazed if the backlog of parcels and mail from 6 days of action, including 23rd/24th December, would all be cleared before January. Especially if more strike dates are put in place for immediately after Boxing Day

[ninja22]

Christmas isn't one last hoorah. Have another ballot and keep striking. If companies don't think RM can provide a reliable service, then they will keep using other couriers. Financial loss to RM. All could backfire on ST. Yes, would probably mean more job losses but by the sounds of it there seems to be a lot of people interested in VR.

[walthmstowman]

I wouldn't be surprised if Simon Thompson is taking his orders from that Czech Billionaire at VESA . Smash up the union so VESA can take over and split up the company . If that's the case then there isn't ever going to be an agreement because it would require the union to completely capitulate .

[spaceman07]

It's not rocket science Thompson has been playing with us from day 1....but don't worry these handful of strike dates will sort him out lol. I bet he's shaking in his boots.

[sixfoottwo]

Wow that summary reads like an absolute car crash, makes you wonder what the talks were like looks like zero progress has been made - in fact it seems like it actually gone backwards.

Miles apart here.

[rambo1]

What’s worrying is that ST will have known these conditions will be rejected.
And that the Christmas strikes will go ahead now.
But after that? The leverage the CWU might have right now is that christmas strikes will hit the company hard. But after January offers no leverage at all. So what then?

Is this literally the last hoorah? One final roll of the dice?

ST is aware of this and I have been concerned for some time that he has been willing to sacrifice this Christmas to get what he wants. Plus a lot of posties won’t be able to afford indefinite strikes. The cost of living ain’t coming down.

I’ve been in Royal Mail for many, many years.
Although Christmas strikes have almost happened on multiple occasions, I can’t recall us actually BEING on strike in the run-up to Christmas. So I don’t know how much carnage they would cause. But I would be amazed if the backlog of parcels and mail from 6 days of action, including 23rd/24th December, would all be cleared before January. Especially if more strike dates are put in place for immediately after Boxing Day

It'll be cleared by the ardent strikers.......who work their days off and overtime to make up money lost so they can strike.

[Acca Dacca]

Something doesn’t add up because Ward and Furey were a lot more positive on progress and RM moving on certain issues during Friday( or was it Thursday? ) nights session

[matthew68]

No need for compulsory redundancies as I expect 20000 have already applied to go!

[Clappedoutpostie]

Something doesn’t add up because Ward and Furey were a lot more positive on progress and RM moving on certain issues during Friday( or was it Thursday? ) nights session

Did they have their arses kicked by the PEC?

[zz666]

It was in paper ST asked the government to stop saturday deliveries back on May. Acas talks were just stalling tactics to try and prevent Xmas strikes. Didn't have any intention on reaching an agreement since they want to side line the cwu completely.

[walthmstowman]

What’s worrying is that ST will have known these conditions will be rejected.
And that the Christmas strikes will go ahead now.
But after that? The leverage the CWU might have right now is that christmas strikes will hit the company hard. But after January offers no leverage at all. So what then?

Is this literally the last hoorah? One final roll of the dice?

ST is aware of this and I have been concerned for some time that he has been willing to sacrifice this Christmas to get what he wants. Plus a lot of posties won’t be able to afford indefinite strikes. The cost of living ain’t coming down.

Strikes going ahead gives him ammo for more Job losses.There will be more.

TBH, if we lose this dispute there would be more job cuts further down the road anyway . You don't honestly think Simon Thompson would stop there do you ?

[britwrit]

Something doesn’t add up because Ward and Furey were a lot more positive on progress and RM moving on certain issues during Friday( or was it Thursday? ) nights session

There's a line in the second paragraph about how the document doesn't square up with the ACAS discussions.

[timbo1234]

This is now a war of attrition. Like the war in Ukraine there will be no winner, just losers - the business, the workforce and the customers. A 450 year old British institution will die. Whether the British public will stand for it I don't know. When they realise that people in uniform in red vans will be no more I think they will be angry and sad. I hope their reaction is one of anger .It won't matter what changes ST makes the ethos and national standing of Royal Mail will be dead. Whatever view you have this a sad day for everyone.

[Clappedoutpostie]

Something doesn’t add up because Ward and Furey were a lot more positive on progress and RM moving on certain issues during Friday( or was it Thursday? ) nights session

There's a line in the second paragraph about how the document doesn't square up with the ACAS discussions.

Where, I can’t see it

[Sbutts8182]

Something doesn’t add up because Ward and Furey were a lot more positive on progress and RM moving on certain issues during Friday( or was it Thursday? ) nights session

There's a line in the second paragraph about how the document doesn't square up with the ACAS discussions.

Where, I can’t see it

CWU Postal Executive formally rejects Royal Mail Group surrender document

The Postal Executive met today and unanimously rejected Royal Mail Group’s latest proposals and at the same time endorsed a CWU counter proposal, which also includes an alternative business strategy to secure the future of both our members jobs and the company.

The proposal Royal Mail Group sent to us yesterday were not in line with the discussions we have been having and were a deliberate move to harden their position following their unilateral preference exercise. The CWU counter proposal will be sent to Royal Mail Group tomorrow and will be shared with our representatives and members.

Unlike Royal Mail Group, who presented their proposal as a take it or leave it option, the CWU remain committed to reaching an agreement and will make clear to the company that we are willing to engage further in serious negotiations on all aspects of pay and change.

We will also use National Gate Meeting Day to ask CWU members, by a show of hands to support the rejection of the Royal Mail Group position and endorse the unions paper.

The documents sent by Royal Mail Group yesterday are bound by ACAS confidentiality rules so we will not share it today, but we will be doing so as soon as we are able to because as a union we believe in complete transparency. We also know when you see the document it will make support for strike action stronger than ever.

A summary of the rejected proposal and its impact on your futures is below. We need this everywhere and we need every CWU member to realise that backing the forthcoming strike action is not only the right thing to do but it is the only thing to do.

We will of course use every possible moment ahead of Thursday to reach agreement, but we need every branch, representative and member to create a huge wave of pressure from the ground up. Every single one of us must become the union.

Dave Ward General Secretary

Andy Furey Acting Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

SUMMARY OF ROYAL MAIL GROUP SURRENDER DOCUMENT

• It is clear they want to turn the Royal Mail Group into a gig economy style parcel courier, resourced over time through a self-employed model.

• Royal Mail Group have refused to put in place any commitments whatsoever on job security and we believe they will now move ahead with compulsory redundancies.

• The pay offer remains inadequate and the 3.5% is not backdated.

• Pay for Parcelforce – Nil.

• Pay for Fleet – 3% - not backdated, alongside a demand to outsource Fleet work, leading to compulsory redundancies.

• Royal Mail Group is demanding the CWU withdraws support for members who have submitted employment tribunals for unlawful pay deductions during recent periods of strike action.

• Royal Mail Group is demanding that local representatives and members must fully accept their revision proposals without any opportunity for these to be negotiated at local level.

• Royal Mail Group is demanding the CWU be removed from the workplace and will only recognise us in the future as a company union – there only to help introduce their plans.

• Ill health and sick pay slashed.

• Allowances slashed.

• Removal of Sunday premium payment.

• A combined proposal on flexibility and seasonal variations that means the company will be in total control of when you work and when you don’t.

• Later start and finishing times that will see the company abandoning the AM delivery period, forever denying growth opportunities and new products and services being developed.

• Technology being used to bare down on and monitor postal workers every minute of the day.