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if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

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aiden01
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by aiden01 »

fallenworld2022 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 20:35
hows it 2 years pay, 14 years is 28 weeks plus 6k, lot of mugs on here go for next to nothing, its a shame to be that desperate
It would normally be 2 years pay read the question that was asked..
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by rambo1 »

fallenworld2022 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 20:35
hows it 2 years pay, 14 years is 28 weeks plus 6k, lot of mugs on here go for next to nothing, its a shame to be that desperate
I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick. We are not desperate as you say. We are probably happy with anything as we were about to leave anyway. The desperate ones are the ones who can't leave and are desperately holding out for some super deal. This will now not happen . The writing is on the wall. This is realism not being negative.
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by rambo1 »

daveyeff wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 20:41
It's just been announced by Andy Fury on the live update that there's 11200 agency staff employed in the whole of RM....that's their redundancy problem solved right there. But they've said f**k all about that though...begars belief
But we cost more than agency when you factor in sick and annual leave pay. Plus they're a zero hrs workforce.
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by Acca Dacca »

rambo1 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 21:32
daveyeff wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 20:41
It's just been announced by Andy Fury on the live update that there's 11200 agency staff employed in the whole of RM....that's their redundancy problem solved right there. But they've said f**k all about that though...begars belief
But we cost more than agency when you factor in sick and annual leave pay. Plus they're a zero hrs workforce.
The reason for the redundancies though is cited as reduced workload - not that they cant afford us
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by Clappedoutpostie »

fallenworld2022 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 20:32
14 years service ur only looking at 15k then, that wont last u a year, time u pay a heavy car bill, mot, insurance, electricity, all the other bills, reality will kick in, uve been shafted.
Not if you can walk straight into another job. Let’s be honest 1000’s have been leaving anyway. 10’s of thousands more (or so they say) are also looking to leave. Might as well get something out of it if that was your plan. The way things are shaping up Thompson’s going to bankrupt the company and then you will know what shafted really looks like.
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by portadown »

It will be like dad's army not new kids on the block I don't think they have though this out there's better jobs out there for kids I for 1 would not let my kids join this company
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by fallenworld2022 »

the thing is theirs not much jobs out their, thousands chasing one job, i know as no one gets back to u, so think this through, i wouldnt go unless its 2 years, thing is the only way they will get rid of the older ones is if its 2 years, looks like an aging workforce still as the ones in their 40s will likely go but not in 50s haha, they will wait till retirement
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by adamanti »

2000 managers apparently made redundant just a few months back. We really should be offered the same term's as they were given. Why should we be offered a reduced package?
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by norris9 »

If you watched the CWU Live it was actually more positive than I thought it was going to be. They seem to be gradually coming to an agreement. Maybe we will have an agreement and an offer to vote on within weeks that may actually be reasonable.

But maybe I am being too positive. We have been trolled too often.


I wonder how many staff they are short of currently.... I don't know why they don't just lose staff naturally over time instead of wasting money paying them off. I would not be surprised if the company is at least 7,000 staff short of what they actually need. I think in the CWU Live they said they are currently employing 11,000 agency staff....but don't quote me on that - I am not sure on the exact number....

If they don't use agency then do they really need to get rid of any of us?
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by iHateD2Ds »

They want to get rid of existing employees and replace us with people on lesser pay terms and conditions.

The work is still there though may be diminishing by the strike action.

Not long ago Managers were offered 2 yrs wages Redundancy package and remember they are on alot more money than postie's basic wage.

RM seem to be constantly biting at the Unions ankles like a Jack Russell when they should be trying find resolve.No Union and Workforce is never going to accept what's on offer at the moment , disrespecting the workforce with proposed agenda only demoralises and loses the Goodwill.

Yes,you are truly #£%@i%g off your employees RM!
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by robking »

What if the sticking point at the talks is the terms of VR?
If everything else was agreed, Thommo could now say to the union, don't worry about VR terms, we've got 10000 people leaving next year now and there won't be any more redundancies because we'll manage staff reductions with natural wastage from now on.
Could a deal now be done in the next few days?
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by 77SAMPOST77 »

fallenworld2022 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 22:19
the thing is theirs not much jobs out their, thousands chasing one job, i know as no one gets back to u, so think this through, i wouldnt go unless its 2 years, thing is the only way they will get rid of the older ones is if its 2 years, looks like an aging workforce still as the ones in their 40s will likely go but not in 50s haha, they will wait till retirement
There is plenty of jobs out there .
There are are more jobs available than there are unemployed a fact the left wing media are hiding from us .
100.000 jobs in the care industry alone that lazy benefit scroungers will not take .
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by rambo1 »

77SAMPOST77 wrote:
18 Nov 2022, 09:37
fallenworld2022 wrote:
17 Nov 2022, 22:19
the thing is theirs not much jobs out their, thousands chasing one job, i know as no one gets back to u, so think this through, i wouldnt go unless its 2 years, thing is the only way they will get rid of the older ones is if its 2 years, looks like an aging workforce still as the ones in their 40s will likely go but not in 50s haha, they will wait till retirement
There is plenty of jobs out there .
There are are more jobs available than there are unemployed a fact the left wing media are hiding from us .
100.000 jobs in the care industry alone that lazy benefit scroungers will not take .
Got that right. And why would they, they are getting 10% rise next April. What other job is giving you a 10% rise?
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by fallenworld2022 »

theirs jobs advertised but how many get back to you when u apply?? only jobs ull get is the ones no one wants, theres a recession now so less companies will take on staff.
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Re: if they want rid of us they will have to pay us better than that

Post by norris9 »

people are saying - 'I'll take it'.... are they even going to give it to you...

Sounds like they are going to go for the cheapest to pay off. That would be someone like me with only a few years service. That would be £7,500...

Is it worth it when I am still young. Is it worth it when I don't have another job lined up. The pension is also good here at Royal Mail.

I think it's too little for me personally to take. I believe the Union were saying last night we may get an 8.5% pay rise, they did not mention if this would be backdated. If it's backdated then thats about £1000. This is something to consider, but right now it's up in the air.


I don't know why they don't just let people leave naturally. Thousands of people surely leave this job annually.