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mjd24 wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 17:43
exetererica wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 15:52
hans solo wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 15:43
why not out on cyber monday
That's Monday 28th November - it must still be going ahead. The above doesn't say it's been cancelled. It just says the 12th and 14th have been cancelled
Oh ffs please can someone clear this up!!
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scotchy1962 wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 17:38
Jesus guys get some backbone would you, never seen such negativity about this place ever. I seldom post because usually somebody posts something vaguely sensible, but this defeatist claptrap is unworthy of this site. Simple simon has you all running scared and all he did was get the same deal and make it look different, stop whinging stand back and have a good look at what the future holds for you if you agree to what he wants. Then stop the CWU criticism and back your union and have some faith. Simon is only trying to wear you all down with his tactics, taking vague details of a agreement to say its no longer relevant, wanting very specific details for the AI which are very difficult to answer to scare the union into withdrawing it, going on workplace and baiting every idiot who will take heed with his posts and just generally fighting a very dirty fight. Its the first dispute in my 60yrs i have seen fought on social media and to be truthful i find it quite unsettling the way the CEO has behaved with his tactics, i guess the youngsters think this is ok but its not for me. This Despot is intent on destroying Royal Mail and your jobs along with it and be under no illusions that it will only get worse. As for me i will hang about and do my job which i have enjoyed for the last 15yrs until it is no longer workable or if i stand firm and back my union i might have a job that is workable with a good work life balance and i can retire in 5 years.
:Applause :dance Hooray 🙌🙌🙌 Hooray!!!!!! Some on here are so defeatist whilst others are more concerned that Pete came in 10 minutes early. On every thread someone manages to get a dig in on their colleagues, this is the usual one and some see that as the biggest problem in the workplace, people really need to focus on who the enemy is and pull themselves together. No-one said this was going to be easy and yet many seem to almost bored of it because it hasn't been sorted in the timescale they want.
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Post by POSTMAN »

An interesting attachment previously missing in the LTB is now in the 1st post.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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Post by tractorboy2 »

POSTMAN wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 23:26
An interesting attachment previously missing in the LTB is now in the 1st post.
Yes it is interesting , next years 1.5% pay increase is being funded by our RRIS payment , so isn't a pay increase at all.
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Post by mozilla »

POSTMAN wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 23:26
An interesting attachment previously missing in the LTB is now in the 1st post.
Seeing it in black and white it really is quite depressing; anyone getting the Defined Area supplement will get no pay rise until they've taken the £20 back or have I misunderstood ( he said hopefully) ?
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guardianangel wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 15:47
Looks like they are losing the members faith,they need to do a big u turn and quick ,i have never seen so many pissed off posties as i seen today,Mr Ward needs to resign and quick before its too late.
Why on earth do you believe all this is the fault of Dave Ward? It’s because of his inspirational leadership and foresight that we are taking the company on, posties and yourself should focus your anger at the person who’s caused all this Simon Thompson get behind your union and stop the negativity.
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Post by Binsey »

geordieboy123 wrote:
03 Nov 2022, 09:23
guardianangel wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 15:47
Looks like they are losing the members faith,they need to do a big u turn and quick ,i have never seen so many pissed off posties as i seen today,Mr Ward needs to resign and quick before its too late.
Why on earth do you believe all this is the fault of Dave Ward? It’s because of his inspirational leadership and foresight that we are taking the company on, posties and yourself should focus your anger at the person who’s caused all this Simon Thompson get behind your union and stop the negativity.

Losing Terry Pullinger early on has been a total disaster.
Dave Ward with the other 2/3 disputes going on has his hands full.

A perfect storm unfortunately.
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Post by clashcityrocker »

stevejm wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 18:24
clashcityrocker wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 15:43

Since when did it become the union's role to make up a business plan?

To answer your question >> when the employer's business plan will destroy the working conditions of all 115,000 members it is fighting on behalf.
That would suggest that the union has never before made up a business plan? We have never been in this situation before.
So what experience do our union top bods have in formulating their plan? Especially given the fact that they don't appear to believe the financial figures given by Royal Mail.
Assuming any of the top investors turn up, how seriously are they going to take this initiative?
How seriously should we take this initiative?

Call it negativity if you want but I think it is a ridiculous suggestion. I hope I am proved wrong.
I would love to see the wowed reaction of the assembled shareholders to the union's alternative vision. It might be nice if they shared some of it with the members first.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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Post by fb1969 »

mozilla wrote:
03 Nov 2022, 09:06

Seeing it in black and white it really is quite depressing; anyone getting the Defined Area supplement will get no pay rise until they've taken the £20 back or have I misunderstood ( he said hopefully) ?
You are correct.

Some years ago the Civil Service did the same thing. There was an area supplement of around £600 a year, which was non-pensionable. After one pay award the supplement was used instead of a pay rise, so a £200 a year rise meant the supplement dropped by £200 a year. The plus point was that the £200 became pensionable, but the bigger minus point was that the take home pay remained the same.
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Post by guardianangel »

Binsey wrote:
03 Nov 2022, 09:50
geordieboy123 wrote:
03 Nov 2022, 09:23
guardianangel wrote:
02 Nov 2022, 15:47
Looks like they are losing the members faith,they need to do a big u turn and quick ,i have never seen so many pissed off posties as i seen today,Mr Ward needs to resign and quick before its too late.
Why on earth do you believe all this is the fault of Dave Ward? It’s because of his inspirational leadership and foresight that we are taking the company on, posties and yourself should focus your anger at the person who’s caused all this Simon Thompson get behind your union and stop the negativity.

Losing Terry Pullinger early on has been a total disaster.
Dave Ward with the other 2/3 disputes going on has his hands full.

A perfect storm unfortunately.
I can't get behind a union who keep cancelling strikes,we have a 4 week window now instead of the 12 we had at the beginning and we have got nowhere,i reckon Royal Mail will flood delivery offices with agency and students in December,as Simon steams on the train has left the station with us left behind,if you can come up with one positive let me know,they have messed it up ,you know it ,i know it,all my mates in delivery know it,the best we can hope for now is decent redundancy terms but they will probably mess that up too.