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Acca Dacca wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:23
2chorizon wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:15
zz666 wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:12
2chorizon wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:08
Murdoch wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 19:58
2chorizon wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 19:47
1560loopsayear wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 19:38
Aye...but I'm sure by the time we get to the end of November strikes something will pop-up too delay, cancel or push them back some more. Can't help but feel Thompson is playing the joker character at the moment...and Ward is a long way from approaching with the bat mobile.
Yes, they will get a court injunction for BF / Cyber Monday.

We are being played here, and allowing a vote on the deal will likely backfire with a significant percentage voting to accept (could have been worse / “oh simon says he’ll let me have special hours cos i’ve gotta pick the kids up” etc)

It’s all over i think.
First point is speculation, we've already have multiple "all out" strikes, which have been legal, what makes Black Friday / Cyber Monday any different?

If a significant proportion of people vote to accept the deal, then the CWU would have a clear mandate to then go and agree a similar deal on behalf of their members.

Honestly, if people haven't realised by now that, we're going to have to accept a watered down version of the deal on the table (hopefully with a bit more money), then they need to wake up and smell the coffee.
There will be a court injunction issued to halt black friday cyber monday strikes.
Just like there was on the xmas 2019 (maybe 2020) strike we had planned.
It’s big business for the UK economy and a court injunction WILL be granted.

BF/CM strikes WILL be stopped, as will any leading up to Xmas. (Proven past precedent)
On what grounds?
I dont remember but we balloted, called the dates are were all set to go out and BOOM! uk government ordered a court injunction to be granted to save xmas post.
It was xmas december 2019 or 2020
That was on the basis of people opening their ballot papers and voting inside their offices and filming themselves
Yes! thank you,
see my new thread on “workplace ballot”

same time tomorra guv :dance
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2chorizon wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:15
I dont remember but we balloted, called the dates are were all set to go out and BOOM! uk government ordered a court injunction to be granted to save xmas post.
It was xmas december 2019 or 2020
Royal Mail took the CWU to court, and successfully argued that people were opening ballots in the workplace, we're being pressured to vote in a certain way, and the ballot was illegal. This was due to some numpties opening their mail in the DO, and then posting videos of that on Facebook.
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ONEFINISHTIME wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:23
Wasn't the 2019 injunction due to the general election.
Yes it was.Well thats what the CWU blamed but it was opening ballots in work.
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Ali831 wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 19:50

2 of the upcoming dates fell when I was on annual leave which meant I wouldn't take a hit for another 2 days pay but others have had several dates fall on rest days etc, so haven't lost as much money but hey ho I guess that's how the cookie crumbles except I can't afford cookies right now 😢
You're sounding a bit sorry for yourself there Ali. We're all in the same boat, I know it's a lot easier money wise if Strike Days fall on your Day Off, Holiday or Sick Leave but you've just to try and take it a Strike Day at a time. :cuppa
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ONEFINISHTIME wrote: ↑Wasn't the 2019 injunction due to the general election.

Yes it was.Well thats what the CWU blamed but it was opening ballots in work

Thank you.
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ONEFINISHTIME wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:23
Wasn't the 2019 injunction due to the general election.
Was injuncted because people took the voting slips straight from the fittings rather than having it delivered to their own homes. Plus adding the photos on social media of what they voted for etc etc. Then after covid happened and we were the fourth emergency service so the union backed down strikes.
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ddtc wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:30
ONEFINISHTIME wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:23
Wasn't the 2019 injunction due to the general election.
Was injuncted because people took the voting slips straight from the fittings rather than having it delivered to their own homes. Plus adding the photos on social media of what they voted for etc etc. Then after covid happened and we were the fourth emergency service so the union backed down strikes.
Yeah, and then Rico got the dunt, and Simon Thomson absolutely suckered the Union in by playing nice with them, till Covid was over... then here we are.
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TopperGas wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:05
sixfoottwo wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 19:55
Baffled me cancelling the 12th/14th to be honest, sends out the wrong message in my opinion.

I was pretty underwhelmed but I'll back the Union 100% otherwise we are finished.
Pure guesswork but perhaps there's a danger RM would get an injunction for those dates, if the union haven't balloted their members on the pay rise?
That's not written in law yet,they don't have to ballot us on an offer,yet.
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ddtc wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:30
ONEFINISHTIME wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:23
Wasn't the 2019 injunction due to the general election.


I believe that was one argument Royal Mail was happy to jump on! :arrrghhh

Was injuncted because people took the voting slips straight from the fittings rather than having it delivered to their own homes. Plus adding the photos on social media of what they voted for etc etc. Then after covid happened and we were the fourth emergency service so the union backed down strikes.
I think this was the main reason, but you just can't train STUPID it's got to come naturally! :arrrghhh

It's just like the way people think they can abuse the CEO on Workspace (when they're easily identifiable) and are then surprised when they're Suspended! :shock: Just get some Bloody Common sense and try not to shoot yourselves in the foot! :cuppa
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guardianangel wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:33
TopperGas wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 20:05
sixfoottwo wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 19:55
Baffled me cancelling the 12th/14th to be honest, sends out the wrong message in my opinion.

I was pretty underwhelmed but I'll back the Union 100% otherwise we are finished.
Pure guesswork but perhaps there's a danger RM would get an injunction for those dates, if the union haven't balloted their members on the pay rise?
That's not written in law yet,they don't have to ballot us on an offer,yet.
I know but perhaps the CWU are working on a "just in case" basis, if not, I can't see any other reason to call off the strikes, at this rate the next set of strikes will also be called off.
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A workplace ballot is a consultation ballot it is not a legal requirement it is a show of opposition. The calling off the strikes will help those who are in financial dire straits as one day strikes are not cutting it and the rolling action is dead. We now have new strike dates targeting Royal Mails most profitable time of the year with further Christmas action planed. We also will be communicating with investors of the business and the political fronts this is welcome news for how to get this dispute resolved in a quick and timely fashion. But if the CEO wants to stick his head up his arse so he cannot listen he is welcome to do so as the shareholders may get someone else!
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well said
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k979aaa wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 21:15
A workplace ballot is a consultation ballot it is not a legal requirement it is a show of opposition. The calling off the strikes will help those who are in financial dire straits as one day strikes are not cutting it and the rolling action is dead. We now have new strike dates targeting Royal Mails most profitable time of the year with further Christmas action planed. We also will be communicating with investors of the business and the political fronts this is welcome news for how to get this dispute resolved in a quick and timely fashion. But if the CEO wants to stick his head up his arse so he cannot listen he is welcome to do so as the shareholders may get someone else!
Quick and timely fashion :crazy: :crazy: its been going on since April,i'll be retired time i get a pay rise
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guardianangel wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 21:53
k979aaa wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 21:15
A workplace ballot is a consultation ballot it is not a legal requirement it is a show of opposition. The calling off the strikes will help those who are in financial dire straits as one day strikes are not cutting it and the rolling action is dead. We now have new strike dates targeting Royal Mails most profitable time of the year with further Christmas action planed. We also will be communicating with investors of the business and the political fronts this is welcome news for how to get this dispute resolved in a quick and timely fashion. But if the CEO wants to stick his head up his arse so he cannot listen he is welcome to do so as the shareholders may get someone else!
Quick and timely fashion :crazy: :crazy: its been going on since April,i'll be retired time i get a pay rise
Guess what you had 2% imposed from April and don't start giving them ideas about the retirement age or you will be here longer!
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k979aaa wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 22:09
guardianangel wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 21:53
k979aaa wrote:
01 Nov 2022, 21:15
A workplace ballot is a consultation ballot it is not a legal requirement it is a show of opposition. The calling off the strikes will help those who are in financial dire straits as one day strikes are not cutting it and the rolling action is dead. We now have new strike dates targeting Royal Mails most profitable time of the year with further Christmas action planed. We also will be communicating with investors of the business and the political fronts this is welcome news for how to get this dispute resolved in a quick and timely fashion. But if the CEO wants to stick his head up his arse so he cannot listen he is welcome to do so as the shareholders may get someone else!
Quick and timely fashion :crazy: :crazy: its been going on since April,i'll be retired time i get a pay rise
Guess what you had 2% imposed from April and don't start giving them ideas about the retirement age or you will be here longer!
i doubt it they want to get rid of us all,i'll rephrase it ,i'll be made redundant,and the 2% wasn't won by our union.