We seem to have forgotten that Royal Mail is a private company. For private companies, it's all about making a profit. That’s the fact whether we like it or not. The moment the company starts incurring losses as Royal Mail just did. It has just announced a loss of £219 million compared to a profit of 235 million in 2021. It expects further losses of over 100 million if the union goes ahead with the strike until December. I am afraid that will be the end for Royal Mail. In this scenario, nothing will be off the table. Royal Mail will use all arsenal at its disposal. There will be no more negotiation with the union. The separation of GLS will go ahead, which is the crown jewel for the company. It alone is estimated to value at 3 billion leaving the loss-making Royal Mail to collapse. This may have little or no effect on the shareholders as they will have a stake in the profitable GLS, but the implication for the workforce will be unbearable given the current situation. Just look at the situation before and after the strike. We have lost three days of wages through strikes. Likewise, the strike has given the Royal Mail opportunity to rip up the “Agenda for Growth, Stability and Long-term Success”, and the loss of 6000 full-time jobs. If there's no agreement soon. It's going to get worse. The biggest problem for Royal Mail is the USO and the snail-paced of modernisation. Unless the current status quo is changed and the union and the Royal Mail management reach an agreement, its future looks bleak.
We’ve forgotten it’s a private company?
The only thing that’s been forgotten is by RM-that they committed to a 6 day USO as part of privatisation in the first place. Private companies allowed to tell lies as long as they can make profit out of it?
You may have also forgotten RMs investment in postal services worldwide years ago.
No Crown Jewels to be had there-just bad investments and losses.
Now, who do you think had to carry the burden of those financial losses?. Answers on a postcard please-clue: it was not senior management, shareholders or anyone who earned more than £12 an hour.
Yet now we have a profit making out of the business it’s to be held over our heads and we’re told “no cross subsidising?” What utter hypocrisy. But consistent I’ll give them that. “Socialise losses, privatise profits”
And finally, what else has been forgotten?
That we were told we didn’t qualify for furlough as we were key workers.
That we were needed and that the company was heading for multi-million pound losses.
So get out there. Risk yourselves, your families lives. Touching hundreds of things every day and worry that you’ll head home and put one of your family in hospital or worse.
Now it’s over?
10000 of you are out of a job shortly, lads. Business innit?
Royal Mail are finding out that postmen and women have very long memories mate.
They’ll find out shortly that if we need to go down with it then, in a buoyant labour market, it’s something we may very well be willing to do.
Good luck with their GLS dividends. The rat bastards.
If anyone is thinking of giving up because of loss of wages, they should maybe just hand their notice in a go work every hour God sends for Deliveroo or Amazon.
Because that's what Royal Mail want your job to be like, and the only thing stopping them is our fight.
We seem to have forgotten that Royal Mail is a private company. For private companies, it's all about making a profit. That’s the fact whether we like it or not. The moment the company starts incurring losses as Royal Mail just did. It has just announced a loss of £219 million compared to a profit of 235 million in 2021. It expects further losses of over 100 million if the union goes ahead with the strike until December. I am afraid that will be the end for Royal Mail. In this scenario, nothing will be off the table. Royal Mail will use all arsenal at its disposal. There will be no more negotiation with the union. The separation of GLS will go ahead, which is the crown jewel for the company. It alone is estimated to value at 3 billion leaving the loss-making Royal Mail to collapse. This may have little or no effect on the shareholders as they will have a stake in the profitable GLS, but the implication for the workforce will be unbearable given the current situation. Just look at the situation before and after the strike. We have lost three days of wages through strikes. Likewise, the strike has given the Royal Mail opportunity to rip up the “Agenda for Growth, Stability and Long-term Success”, and the loss of 6000 full-time jobs. If there's no agreement soon. It's going to get worse. The biggest problem for Royal Mail is the USO and the snail-paced of modernisation. Unless the current status quo is changed and the union and the Royal Mail management reach an agreement, its future looks bleak.
By “modernisation” you mean a complete dilution of terms and a burning of any workers rights.
We seem to have forgotten that Royal Mail is a private company. For private companies, it's all about making a profit. That’s the fact whether we like it or not. The moment the company starts incurring losses as Royal Mail just did. It has just announced a loss of £219 million compared to a profit of 235 million in 2021. It expects further losses of over 100 million if the union goes ahead with the strike until December. I am afraid that will be the end for Royal Mail. In this scenario, nothing will be off the table. Royal Mail will use all arsenal at its disposal. There will be no more negotiation with the union. The separation of GLS will go ahead, which is the crown jewel for the company. It alone is estimated to value at 3 billion leaving the loss-making Royal Mail to collapse. This may have little or no effect on the shareholders as they will have a stake in the profitable GLS, but the implication for the workforce will be unbearable given the current situation. Just look at the situation before and after the strike. We have lost three days of wages through strikes. Likewise, the strike has given the Royal Mail opportunity to rip up the “Agenda for Growth, Stability and Long-term Success”, and the loss of 6000 full-time jobs. If there's no agreement soon. It's going to get worse. The biggest problem for Royal Mail is the USO and the snail-paced of modernisation. Unless the current status quo is changed and the union and the Royal Mail management reach an agreement, its future looks bleak.
We’ve forgotten it’s a private company?
The only thing that’s been forgotten is by RM-that they committed to a 6 day USO as part of privatisation in the first place. Private companies allowed to tell lies as long as they can make profit out of it?
You may have also forgotten RMs investment in postal services worldwide years ago.
No Crown Jewels to be had there-just bad investments and losses.
Now, who do you think had to carry the burden of those financial losses?. Answers on a postcard please-clue: it was not senior management, shareholders or anyone who earned more than £12 an hour.
Yet now we have a profit making out of the business it’s to be held over our heads and we’re told “no cross subsidising?” What utter hypocrisy. But consistent I’ll give them that. “Socialise losses, privatise profits”
And finally, what else has been forgotten?
That we were told we didn’t qualify for furlough as we were key workers.
That we were needed and that the company was heading for multi-million pound losses.
So get out there. Risk yourselves, your families lives. Touching hundreds of things every day and worry that you’ll head home and put one of your family in hospital or worse.
Now it’s over?
10000 of you are out of a job shortly, lads. Business innit?
Royal Mail are finding out that postmen and women have very long memories mate.
They’ll find out shortly that if we need to go down with it then, in a buoyant labour market, it’s something we may very well be willing to do.
Good luck with their GLS dividends. The rat bastards.
Well said I like your style.
Sadly in the business world, Simon Thompson will be considered a Genius.
If anyone is thinking of giving up because of loss of wages, they should maybe just hand their notice in a go work every hour God sends for Deliveroo or Amazon.
Because that's what Royal Mail want your job to be like, and the only thing stopping them is our fight.
Yeah it’s a good point, I don’t get why strike breakers have to drag the rest of us down, if they’re happy with the agenda then why not go work for that type of company instead of turning ALL of our jobs into it? Selfish.
oh im confused why if we go beyond christmas are we finished?will striking not have the same affect as in loss of confidence share price affected?we will still be delivering christmas half way through january anyway
oh im confused why if we go beyond christmas are we finished?will striking not have the same affect as in loss of confidence share price affected?we will still be delivering christmas half way through january anyway
Because the level of parcels / letters coming in goes through the floor - so striking the odd day doesn’t make much difference.
Strikes at the busier time of year is supposed to focus management’s mind towards potential loss of contracts and difficult to shift backlogs - but this sort of stuff clearly hasn’t bothered our management… yet!
The law requires the CWU to breakdown the number of members per workplace and the grades which take action. We have 1847 workplaces , 142 different grades and 115 thousand members.
The law states we only have to give Royal Mail 14 days notice for strike action. So today we will serve notice on the first of 5 sets of functional action on 2nd ,3rd and 4th of November action.
We will serve notice on the remaining action 2 weeks before that action in line with the law. It has been agreed by the Postal Executive so can only be stood down if the Postal Executive vote for that.
In terms of action past the 3rd December, we still have that in our locker. The decision is do we fire all our bullets now or do we wait until early November. Remember once you announce it then that’s it and clearly You have nothing further as leverage. It is a judgement call.
Was a dumb call to announce strike dates all the way December typical HQ showboating much like the pointless gate meeting today.
The name of the game is creating a huge backlog and the remit of maximum effect for minimum loss of wages has not been met for the strikes leading up to the rolling strikes
Saving up for a 5 day all out mid November instead of continuing with poor value 1 day strikes could easily have been achieved.
As you state the Executive can call off and change the strike dates.
There should be review of the strike plan every week with feedback from local reps but presume we will blunder on.
oh im confused why if we go beyond christmas are we finished?will striking not have the same affect as in loss of confidence share price affected?we will still be delivering christmas half way through january anyway
That's nothing new, usually still delivering christmas cards the beginning of february.
The reason Christmas action is supposed to be the big one is the shere volume, more than any other time of year, if christmas doesn't get a result, nothing will.
Thanks for the heads up Martin,,I did wonder if the postal executive had forgotten lol . I think your right, no point putting all our eggs in one basket just yet,,but it looks from where I'm sitting Christmas will be a cert for strike action, that should wake that clown Thompson up .
Question is though Martin can we legally give the 2 weeks notice before the last strike on the 2nd December or do we have to give notice after?. If its after the 2nd December that's a big chunk of Chrismas pressure gone...and Thompson will be laughing his head off,, stay strong people
The law requires the CWU to breakdown the number of members per workplace and the grades which take action. We have 1847 workplaces , 142 different grades and 115 thousand members.
The law states we only have to give Royal Mail 14 days notice for strike action. So today we will serve notice on the first of 5 sets of functional action on 2nd ,3rd and 4th of November action.
We will serve notice on the remaining action 2 weeks before that action in line with the law. It has been agreed by the Postal Executive so can only be stood down if the Postal Executive vote for that.
In terms of action past the 3rd December, we still have that in our locker. The decision is do we fire all our bullets now or do we wait until early November. Remember once you announce it then that’s it and clearly You have nothing further as leverage. It is a judgement call.
Was a dumb call to announce strike dates all the way December typical HQ showboating much like the pointless gate meeting today.
The name of the game is creating a huge backlog and the remit of maximum effect for minimum loss of wages has not been met for the strikes leading up to the rolling strikes
Saving up for a 5 day all out mid November instead of continuing with poor value 1 day strikes could easily have been achieved.
As you state the Executive can call off and change the strike dates.
There should be review of the strike plan every week with feedback from local reps but presume we will blunder on.
This is just blinkered nonsense tbh.
You are looking at it solely from a business disruption point of view and nothing else at all.
This is clearly a marathon, not a sprint.
What you are advocating is going all in on a short burst.
It will lead to dwindling numbers in the long term.
You do know industrial action is something that has been played out many times before in various industries?
There are tried and tested techniques as well as a long list of high-risk, low reward strategies.
So true if you can't afford the financial hit then leave right now. Things will not be the same if we lose this. The only reason to break the strike in this instance is if their proposals are workable for you. If not then leave. I don't want to sound horrid but we are screwed if they win. Don't weaken the position for simply achieving next week's pay and losing all respect from your colleagues. Just go and get an equally s**t job elsewhere, which ultimately this will be. Jump right now
The law requires the CWU to breakdown the number of members per workplace and the grades which take action. We have 1847 workplaces , 142 different grades and 115 thousand members.
The law states we only have to give Royal Mail 14 days notice for strike action. So today we will serve notice on the first of 5 sets of functional action on 2nd ,3rd and 4th of November action.
We will serve notice on the remaining action 2 weeks before that action in line with the law. It has been agreed by the Postal Executive so can only be stood down if the Postal Executive vote for that.
In terms of action past the 3rd December, we still have that in our locker. The decision is do we fire all our bullets now or do we wait until early November. Remember once you announce it then that’s it and clearly You have nothing further as leverage. It is a judgement call.
Was a dumb call to announce strike dates all the way December typical HQ showboating much like the pointless gate meeting today.
The name of the game is creating a huge backlog and the remit of maximum effect for minimum loss of wages has not been met for the strikes leading up to the rolling strikes
Saving up for a 5 day all out mid November instead of continuing with poor value 1 day strikes could easily have been achieved.
As you state the Executive can call off and change the strike dates.
There should be review of the strike plan every week with feedback from local reps but presume we will blunder on.
This is just blinkered nonsense tbh.
You are looking at it solely from a business disruption point of view and nothing else at all.
This is clearly a marathon, not a sprint.
What you are advocating is going all in on a short burst.
It will lead to dwindling numbers in the long term.
You do know industrial action is something that has been played out many times before in various industries?
There are tried and tested techniques as well as a long list of high-risk, low reward strategies.
Your havering mince and seem to be another union member with a short memory ,Pullinger and his outstanding relationship with CEO springs to mind hook line sinker .
All they can do is try and personalise it with Thomson and for the umpteenth time send a letter to the board as if the board are somehow unaware that he's trying to bust the union and there honour in big business
The law requires the CWU to breakdown the number of members per workplace and the grades which take action. We have 1847 workplaces , 142 different grades and 115 thousand members.
The law states we only have to give Royal Mail 14 days notice for strike action. So today we will serve notice on the first of 5 sets of functional action on 2nd ,3rd and 4th of November action.
We will serve notice on the remaining action 2 weeks before that action in line with the law. It has been agreed by the Postal Executive so can only be stood down if the Postal Executive vote for that.
In terms of action past the 3rd December, we still have that in our locker. The decision is do we fire all our bullets now or do we wait until early November. Remember once you announce it then that’s it and clearly You have nothing further as leverage. It is a judgement call.
Was a dumb call to announce strike dates all the way December typical HQ showboating much like the pointless gate meeting today.
The name of the game is creating a huge backlog and the remit of maximum effect for minimum loss of wages has not been met for the strikes leading up to the rolling strikes
Saving up for a 5 day all out mid November instead of continuing with poor value 1 day strikes could easily have been achieved.
As you state the Executive can call off and change the strike dates.
There should be review of the strike plan every week with feedback from local reps but presume we will blunder on.
This is just blinkered nonsense tbh.
You are looking at it solely from a business disruption point of view and nothing else at all.
This is clearly a marathon, not a sprint.
What you are advocating is going all in on a short burst.
It will lead to dwindling numbers in the long term.
You do know industrial action is something that has been played out many times before in various industries?
There are tried and tested techniques as well as a long list of high-risk, low reward strategies.
Your havering mince and seem to be another union member with a short memory ,Pullinger and his outstanding relationship with CEO springs to mind hook line sinker .
All they can do is try and personalise it with Thomson and for the umpteenth time send a letter to the board as if the board are somehow unaware that he's trying to bust the union and there honour in big business
Dreamer
And you’re another union member with grandiose ideas about how to “win”, none of which are grounded in any type of reality.
The type that talks at frame and on picket line about “going out for a fortnight” and “real action” to people who have 4 kids, one PT wage and not a pot to piss in.
The law requires the CWU to breakdown the number of members per workplace and the grades which take action. We have 1847 workplaces , 142 different grades and 115 thousand members.
The law states we only have to give Royal Mail 14 days notice for strike action. So today we will serve notice on the first of 5 sets of functional action on 2nd ,3rd and 4th of November action.
We will serve notice on the remaining action 2 weeks before that action in line with the law. It has been agreed by the Postal Executive so can only be stood down if the Postal Executive vote for that.
In terms of action past the 3rd December, we still have that in our locker. The decision is do we fire all our bullets now or do we wait until early November. Remember once you announce it then that’s it and clearly You have nothing further as leverage. It is a judgement call.
Was a dumb call to announce strike dates all the way December typical HQ showboating much like the pointless gate meeting today.
The name of the game is creating a huge backlog and the remit of maximum effect for minimum loss of wages has not been met for the strikes leading up to the rolling strikes
Saving up for a 5 day all out mid November instead of continuing with poor value 1 day strikes could easily have been achieved.
As you state the Executive can call off and change the strike dates.
There should be review of the strike plan every week with feedback from local reps but presume we will blunder on.
No the name of the game is not creating a huge backlog it is rm losing lots of large contracts an who to f--k can afford to lose a full weeks pay in the midst of a cost of living crisis ffs i give up. an no i don't mean give up on strike action.
. I think your right, no point putting all our eggs in one basket just yet,,but it looks from where I'm sitting Christmas will be a cert for strike action, that should wake that clown Thompson up 
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