Annualised hours

[Pidleypoo]

I presume from 22nd Oct they can do what they want with employment law

This is where there’s a massive problem with understanding things.

[ProudhonPJ]

Apologies for churning this up again, but it seems important. Sunday working is not compulsory, not even for newbies. People have been led to believe it is, hence my comment about lies, although of course those who have been misled are not actually lying (if you see what I mean...). It's on no-one's contract. There is Sunday working and DOM's can ask for volunteers, and some are up for it, which is fine, but do involve your union rep if you're made to feel it's what you're obliged to do. Read your contract too! Minor rant over.

[2yearpostie]

Apologies for churning this up again, but it seems important. Sunday working is not compulsory, not even for newbies. People have been led to believe it is, hence my comment about lies, although of course those who have been misled are not actually lying (if you see what I mean...). It's on no-one's contract. There is Sunday working and DOM's can ask for volunteers, and some are up for it, which is fine, but do involve your union rep if you're made to feel it's what you're obliged to do. Read your contract too! Minor rant over.

Sunday is in the new contracts

https://jobs.royalmailgroup.com/job/Abb ... 818450801/

Location: Weston-Super-Mare Delivery Office, BS23 3PR

Contract: Fixed Term - End date 24th March 2023

Hours: 30:00 hours

Shift: Between 7:00 and 14:00 (Later shifts will start at 13:00 and finish around 18:00), 5 days per week (Monday – Sunday)

Hourly Rate: £10.85 (aged 18+). £8.44 (aged 17), plus an additional £5.83 per hour Sunday premium, a weekly supplement of £26.61 (pro rata) and in some locations an area allowance is payable.

[zipmeister]

Apologies for churning this up again, but it seems important. Sunday working is not compulsory, not even for newbies. People have been led to believe it is, hence my comment about lies, although of course those who have been misled are not actually lying (if you see what I mean...). It's on no-one's contract. There is Sunday working and DOM's can ask for volunteers, and some are up for it, which is fine, but do involve your union rep if you're made to feel it's what you're obliged to do. Read your contract too! Minor rant over.

Sunday is in the new contracts

https://jobs.royalmailgroup.com/job/Abb ... 818450801/

Location: Weston-Super-Mare Delivery Office, BS23 3PR

Contract: Fixed Term - End date 24th March 2023

Hours: 30:00 hours

Shift: Between 7:00 and 14:00 (Later shifts will start at 13:00 and finish around 18:00), 5 days per week (Monday – Sunday)

Hourly Rate: £10.85 (aged 18+). £8.44 (aged 17), plus an additional £5.83 per hour Sunday premium, a weekly supplement of £26.61 (pro rata) and in some locations an area allowance is payable.

They can put whatever they want on the job advert but unless there are actually existing Sunday duties built into the DDS in the unit and these are the duties they have advertised ,its volunteers only.

[Woody Guthrie]

It's legally complicated but Royal Mail's own take on it is existing staff cannot be forced into working Sundays.

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[TopperGas]

Apologies for churning this up again, but it seems important. Sunday working is not compulsory, not even for newbies. People have been led to believe it is, hence my comment about lies, although of course those who have been misled are not actually lying (if you see what I mean...). It's on no-one's contract. There is Sunday working and DOM's can ask for volunteers, and some are up for it, which is fine, but do involve your union rep if you're made to feel it's what you're obliged to do. Read your contract too! Minor rant over.

Sunday is in the new contracts

https://jobs.royalmailgroup.com/job/Abb ... 818450801/

Location: Weston-Super-Mare Delivery Office, BS23 3PR

Contract: Fixed Term - End date 24th March 2023

Hours: 30:00 hours

Shift: Between 7:00 and 14:00 (Later shifts will start at 13:00 and finish around 18:00), 5 days per week (Monday – Sunday)

Hourly Rate: £10.85 (aged 18+). £8.44 (aged 17), plus an additional £5.83 per hour Sunday premium, a weekly supplement of £26.61 (pro rata) and in some locations an area allowance is payable.

Even that advert refers to a Sunday supplement, so that contract won't be valid if RM ever decide to just pay the flat rate.

[2yearpostie]

It's legally complicated but Royal Mail's own take on it is existing staff cannot be forced into working Sundays. _20221009_104731.JPGI

Existing staff yes, but all new job ads are for new contracts and its advirtised as Sunday working so theres nothing voluntary about it, if they want the new staff to work Sundays, they will work Sundays, even my contract from 2017 mentions weekend and bank holiday work may be required as the business needs.

[2yearpostie]

Apologies for churning this up again, but it seems important. Sunday working is not compulsory, not even for newbies. People have been led to believe it is, hence my comment about lies, although of course those who have been misled are not actually lying (if you see what I mean...). It's on no-one's contract. There is Sunday working and DOM's can ask for volunteers, and some are up for it, which is fine, but do involve your union rep if you're made to feel it's what you're obliged to do. Read your contract too! Minor rant over.

Sunday is in the new contracts

https://jobs.royalmailgroup.com/job/Abb ... 818450801/

Location: Weston-Super-Mare Delivery Office, BS23 3PR

Contract: Fixed Term - End date 24th March 2023

Hours: 30:00 hours

Shift: Between 7:00 and 14:00 (Later shifts will start at 13:00 and finish around 18:00), 5 days per week (Monday – Sunday)

Hourly Rate: £10.85 (aged 18+). £8.44 (aged 17), plus an additional £5.83 per hour Sunday premium, a weekly supplement of £26.61 (pro rata) and in some locations an area allowance is payable.

Even that advert refers to a Sunday supplement, so that contract won't be valid if RM ever decide to just pay the flat rate.

You do realise that no job contract ( not just RM) is worth the paper its written on and the employer cant update terms contions and pay when ever they like with a set period of consultation?

[Woody Guthrie]

It's legally complicated but Royal Mail's own take on it is existing staff cannot be forced into working Sundays. _20221009_104731.JPGI

Existing staff yes, but all new job ads are for new contracts and its advirtised as Sunday working so theres nothing voluntary about it, if they want the new staff to work Sundays, they will work Sundays, even my contract from 2017 mentions weekend and bank holiday work may be required as the business needs.

The law isn't that straightforward.
I know you desperately want it to be but it isn't.

Even those already employed with Sunday included in their contract could potentially have a case if they haven't been working Sundays and then are suddenly told they have to.

Sunday working is very restricted in the UK, I'm sure Truss will eventually get round to changing that but at the moment it is what it is.

[2yearpostie]

It's legally complicated but Royal Mail's own take on it is existing staff cannot be forced into working Sundays. _20221009_104731.JPGI

Existing staff yes, but all new job ads are for new contracts and its advirtised as Sunday working so theres nothing voluntary about it, if they want the new staff to work Sundays, they will work Sundays, even my contract from 2017 mentions weekend and bank holiday work may be required as the business needs.

The law isn't that straightforward.
I know you desperately want it to be but it isn't.

Even those already employed with Sunday included in their contract could potentially have a case if they haven't been working Sundays and then are suddenly told they have to.

Sunday working is very restricted in the UK, I'm sure Truss will eventually get round to changing that but at the moment it is what it is.

I dont want it to be, but im a simple lad, if a job is advertised as Sunday working, in my head they want you to work Sundays if you apply and get the job.

[Pidleypoo]

It's legally complicated but Royal Mail's own take on it is existing staff cannot be forced into working Sundays. _20221009_104731.JPGI

Existing staff yes, but all new job ads are for new contracts and its advirtised as Sunday working so theres nothing voluntary about it, if they want the new staff to work Sundays, they will work Sundays, even my contract from 2017 mentions weekend and bank holiday work may be required as the business needs.

The law isn't that straightforward.
I know you desperately want it to be but it isn't.

Even those already employed with Sunday included in their contract could potentially have a case if they haven't been working Sundays and then are suddenly told they have to.

Sunday working is very restricted in the UK, I'm sure Truss will eventually get round to changing that but at the moment it is what it is.

Truss won’t be able to change a single thing and will have to limp along with only minor legislation changes.

There’ll be an election before any meaningful change to employment law could ever come in.

She was told by graham Brady that she’d have to reverse the 45p tax cut because she didn’t have the numbers to get her budget through parliament.

She still might not get it through , especially when the obr have their say and if that happens , there’ll be an election early next year.

[Surreypostie]

It's legally complicated but Royal Mail's own take on it is existing staff cannot be forced into working Sundays. _20221009_104731.JPGI

So why are we striking Woody? We can't be made to work Sunday's? They can make major changes to our attendance times? We are not getting a no strings payrise according to Martin Walsh on here so why are we striking?

Many people have no idea, there isn't much left apart from those 3 things, for me it is the annualised hours but my manager said, just do the job properly, start on time, have your breaks, do your vehicle checks and when you are out there try as many neighbours as you like to get rid of stuff, it all takes time, if you are working to time everyday there won't be any hours to annualise.

[SpacePhoenix]

Think that there'll be a new Tory leadership contest before we get a General Election. Don't know if they'll change the rules so that a new leader is voted for only by Tory MPs

[Woody Guthrie]

So why are we striking Woody?

There's a whole list of things we're striking for but mostly we're striking to make sure we have a job that we're both capable of doing and that's worth doing in a couple of years.

The biggest danger to us is not one thing but the entire culture change that Simon wants to bring in, one of continously improving competitive high performance.

This will make starting early, working for free, running around and skipping breaks not only normal but necessary in order to keep your job.

I would rather die on the picket line of old age than see that happen to our jobs.

[Surreypostie]

Thankyou, that is why a hell of a lot of people come on here and rant about the union and lack of information, we have two ballots, one the no strings pay rise, that is dead in the water, the other is change. I think I am pretty clued up at work with what is going on but there is just too much, at the end of the day, I finish, go home and don't give a damn until tomorrow, I don't care if the place burns down so long as none of my mates are in it.