How are you voting on the deal? (Vote inside)

[KennethBoon]

NO VOTE

CWU were/are only concerned about saving themselves

They have screwed us over...again

[JohnDoe12]

No, and leaving the union.

Obviously vote no to this pile of excrement, but stay in the union. We need to get rid of the clowns who agreed this, can't do that after we leave.

I'll vote no and if the cwu leadership do not resign, then I'm leaving, I do not trust these cowarsd to negotiate any more deals. I'd rather join a non company union tbh.

[JohnDoe12]

If this deal is rejected and RM do enter administration, there WILL BE NO PAY RISE AT ALL. I understand the feelings being expressed but the consequences for RM and CWU of a no vote could be catastrophic. It could result in massive job losses and RM being sold off . The CWU would not exist. It is a massive gamble to vote no. There is no guarantee that the government will take it back into public ownership and keep the current staff and T&Cs. I am voting yes so that the union and the members exist to fight another time.

Vote for the crap deal and hope for a better one in the future, or RM might go bust.

Such a pathetic argument, but the only one that the CWU have got. Because there's nothing good about the deal itself.

Everybody has the choice. You cannot change anything about any job if you don't have one. It's not pathetic it's a choice we will make . I would also like to see the deal you WOULD vote for.

The job is not worth keeping if RM get what they want, they will literally work us to the bone, in all weathers at all times no matter what time of year and for a so called pay rise that is way below inflation ( last year inflation 10% we got 2%, this year infaltion 10-12%, we offered 6%, and next year inflation 2-4 % prediction, we are offered 2%) and in real terms is a pay reduction.

The union need flogging for agreeing to that, even worse they are pretending its a great deal, well let Dave Ward give up his 150 grand a year job that we pay him to work massive duties, with tons of packets, in pissing rain and snow or extereme heat until 4.30+ every day. Everyone of the union leadership need sacking/resigning and replaced with a more democratic union, a one where union members vote for red lines via online polls using membership numbers and a leadership that is paid no more than twice the average members wage, and a leadership that actually does what the membership want. The currenty cwu is not fit for purpose, its a job for the boys, full of greedy overpaid out of touch incompetent corporate loving idiots.

[timbo1234]

If this deal is rejected and RM do enter administration, there WILL BE NO PAY RISE AT ALL. I understand the feelings being expressed but the consequences for RM and CWU of a no vote could be catastrophic. It could result in massive job losses and RM being sold off . The CWU would not exist. It is a massive gamble to vote no. There is no guarantee that the government will take it back into public ownership and keep the current staff and T&Cs. I am voting yes so that the union and the members exist to fight another time.

Vote for the crap deal and hope for a better one in the future, or RM might go bust.

Such a pathetic argument, but the only one that the CWU have got. Because there's nothing good about the deal itself.

Everybody has the choice. You cannot change anything about any job if you don't have one. It's not pathetic it's a choice we will make . I would also like to see the deal you WOULD vote for.

The job is not worth keeping if RM get what they want, they will literally work us to the bone, in all weathers at all times no matter what time of year and for a so called pay rise that is way below inflation ( last year inflation 10% we got 2%, this year infaltion 10-12%, we offered 6%, and next year inflation 2-4 % prediction, we are offered 2%) and in real terms is a pay reduction.

The union need flogging for agreeing to that, even worse they are pretending its a great deal, well let Dave Ward give up his 150 grand a year job that we pay him to work massive duties, with tons of packets, in pissing rain and snow or extereme heat until 4.30+ every day. Everyone of the union leadership need sacking/resigning and replaced with a more democratic union, a one where union members vote for red lines via online polls using membership numbers and a leadership that is paid no more than twice the average members wage, and a leadership that actually does what the membership want. The currenty cwu is not fit for purpose, its a job for the boys, full of greedy overpaid out of touch incompetent corporate loving idiots.

If it's a no vote you will probably get your wish about the job and the CWU bosses. We'll all get the same wish.

[pmn123]

Can we please put this nonsense about administration to bed. It ain't gonna happen yet. Weeks ago the RM board deliberately courted a Times reporter in to printing that 2 financial statements we're on the table . One said that if strikes continued they would be forced to make statement to the city saying that equity funds could be sold parts of the business I.e. asset stripping. The other statement said that if the union accepted transformation the statement would say RM could be viable going forward. We the CWU have accepted the latter despite accepting transformation ( see title of the agreement) by not doing any due diligence and taking the RM boards word on viability. Note: this what happens when Union leaders phone directly a Chairman of Companies on a mateys level, a chairman who hasñ a precedent for being involved in aggressive disputes ( see Willy Walsh & Willaims in the BA dispute - with Uncle red Len Macluskey ) the playback and the results are similar to our dispute.
RM would never go into administration, IDS isn't making a huge loss thanks to GLS. The subsidiary RM can make a loss but the balance sheet remains intact for IDS This Government would not allow the USO to vanish overnight. Dave Ward Chamberlain has been Czech mated it's simple as that by VESA. Share prices go up VESA owns the Company after paying for low priced stock( now has seat on the board and vote) Then RM subsidiary starts to make profit after 2025 parts of the Co is then sold off to equity firms and GLS to VESA. RM Co is then asset stripped. The Union following in fighting after poor agreement fails to galvanise workforce to enter into another dispute basically becomes ineffective. Delivery goes frameless for asset stripping purposes new Co owner reaps the reward of Selling off RM Delivery properties. Delivery then goes bust 5 years later as no requirement for letters or a USO...parcel side of company has been sold to GLS so its Goodbye Vienna...or Prague for Deliveries
Vote No.
Ward Out.

[Dorset Plodder]

There is life outside of RM you know, grow a backbone and value yourself!

Well said mate Exactly the point I was making.

Stand straight in the dole queue. There's loads of jobs everywhere so you will be alright. Your moral fortitude will stand you in good stead I'm ]sure.

I wasn't making a personal attack ... it was a general comment ... apologies if it came across as such. My point was that RM shouldn't expect any loyalty or commitment, hard working staff should be looking elsewhere for more trustworthy employers.

[aiden01]

I get the feeling some people are being Frightened into Voting Yes.... worried about there not being a job in the future .... will RM have to go into administration? .... Will the Government take over the USO and take us back into Public Ownership?

I haven't got the answers but I'll be buggered if I'm going to get Frightened into accepting a Crap deal just because we're basically being blackmailed over the decision.

Either a lot of people have got a bloody good thing going in their office, or they're unaware of how the world works outside RM, but personally I don't think this job's worth worrying about anymore. It's not as if it's a plumb job with brilliant opportunities, a great salary and fantastic pension.

ST and his cronies have totally screwed up what used to be a decent, enjoyable job, and they're trying to make it even crappier!

I do not feel under threat for voting yes. I feel FRIGHTENED about not having a job. It's OK for people who live in a populated area with lots of job vacancies.
Morals, pride and self esteem do not pay the bills. If we vote no then we must be prepared to take the consequences . I'm not prepared to do that and put my family's future at risk.

There is life outside of RM you know, grow a backbone and value yourself!

So if there is a life outside of rm why have you not grabbed a backbone an got another job.

[aiden01]

I'm voting for the deal It's the best deal we are going to get given all the circumstances.
We are not going to get a better deal.
It would be utter madness to vote against our own CWU recommendations, and would make postal workers look stupid.

The dire consequences of a no vote would be Royal Mail going into administration, and a 110,000 postal workers being on the dole, many with mortages and hire purchase cars to pay for.

We should vote to accept the deal, and protect the interests of our families and dependents.

Bore off Mr Thompson you freak

Yet another personal attack again why?

[jahbalon]

I get the feeling some people are being Frightened into Voting Yes.... worried about there not being a job in the future .... will RM have to go into administration? .... Will the Government take over the USO and take us back into Public Ownership?

I haven't got the answers but I'll be buggered if I'm going to get Frightened into accepting a Crap deal just because we're basically being blackmailed over the decision.

Either a lot of people have got a bloody good thing going in their office, or they're unaware of how the world works outside RM, but personally I don't think this job's worth worrying about anymore. It's not as if it's a plumb job with brilliant opportunities, a great salary and fantastic pension.

ST and his cronies have totally screwed up what used to be a decent, enjoyable job, and they're trying to make it even crappier!

I do not feel under threat for voting yes. I feel FRIGHTENED about not having a job. It's OK for people who live in a populated area with lots of job vacancies.
Morals, pride and self esteem do not pay the bills. If we vote no then we must be prepared to take the consequences . I'm not prepared to do that and put my family's future at risk.

There is life outside of RM you know, grow a backbone and value yourself!

So if there is a life outside of rm why have you not grabbed a backbone an got another job.

Some people are great at putting a gun on other people's shoulders and shirking all responsibility themselves. Those advocating a no vote are playing a very dangerous game with other people's liveliehoods and futures. My feeling is they are angry because they wanted a bigger lump sum before they cut and run themselves. Selfish and short term thinking.

[k979aaa]

We have a deal the die is cast and it is up to us all to use this agreement for the benefit of your own personal reasons as to mitigate the flaws of this deal. Never in my time has a deal this controvirtual been recommended by the union our union in times of change we cannot fathom why we are in deep s**t it is not the union but those who's business it is to ruin that is at fault. May god rest the good ship Royal Mail from the bosom of MR arse end over tits (THE CEO) and may she sail again with a better captain of the ship!

[Dorset Plodder]

We have a deal the die is cast and it is up to us all to use this agreement for the benefit of your own personal reasons as to mitigate the flaws of this deal. Never in my time has a deal this controvirtual been recommended by the union our union in times of change we cannot fathom why we are in deep s**t it is not the union but those who's business it is to ruin that is at fault. May god rest the good ship Royal Mail from the bosom of MR arse end over tits (THE CEO) and may she sail again with a better captain of the ship!

I hear what you're saying mate My DO wasn't/isn't that Militant and I suppose it'll be easy to say, "Well if you don't like the deal perhaps you should have taken part in the Industrial Action, instead of Strike Breaking"?

This poor deal does raise the question of whether you should Vote No, or Abstain from Voting? It's been discussed on this forum before with relation to IA. To Abstain from Voting is a genuine choice. Perhaps that would salvethe conscience of those who can't face Voting Yes ...... but realise Voting No won't make any difference? And at the same time indicate to the CWU the lack of support for their decision?

[Cedar_Room]

Disillusioned & fed up. I can’t vote for this. It’ll be a NO from me…

[Dorset Plodder]

Disillusioned & fed up. I can’t vote for this. It’ll be a NO from me…

I think your comment sums it up for the majority of Posties mate!

[POSTPERSON50]

The pay rise equates to about a tenner a week net.

Ward coming out saying it's a great deal for the members.

Makes you sick.

[Poppyellie69]

To give up what's proposed we should have been getting at least backpay & 15%,absolutely stunned n determined to vote no!! I'm not selling my soul for a sausage roll, morals n principles!!!