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guardianangel
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by guardianangel »

ashmeister77 wrote:
04 Aug 2023, 21:24
stevejm wrote:
04 Aug 2023, 17:12
bluempl wrote:
04 Aug 2023, 17:00
ashmeister77 wrote:
02 Aug 2023, 21:24
Commit to deliver won’t happen. Can’t understand why people are staying its coming in
Well they're not letting anyone cut off in our office anymore, been told anything we take out has to be cleared meaning we have to estimate correctly or you're stuck doing unwanted OT.
Always underestimate what you are capable of. I brought back 2 loops today as I overestimated what I could do and I have no built in leeway because I already walk as fast as I can [because I enjoy the exercise - but thats another matter] - not having any leeway means I can't make up time. I still gave the company 15 minutes at end of day.
Don’t give them a single minute ffs
Its funny because with all this s**t and clock in and out coming in all the runners have done a full 360 now they are the worse ones for leaving loops ,i always over estimate now and the job has gone from a tiring one to a lovely relaxed one ,as someone said they are finding it hard to recruit now,the doms in our office now look like the broken and stressed one's and i'm absolutely loving it.
Nickvilla20
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by Nickvilla20 »

If you know you can’t complete then you will work slower as you have no real incentive to get done. There is also no financial incentive to complete either you get paid the same if you do 2 loops or 20.

It just poor counter productive management if everyone had an achievable round then hardly anyone would cut off and sick absences would probably drop to.

It’s one of the few places I know where you get penalised for been good at your job.
yellowbelly
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by yellowbelly »

guardianangel wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 04:44

.........as someone said they are finding it hard to recruit now,the doms in our office now look like the broken and stressed one's and i'm absolutely loving it.
Our manager said that most new recruits in our area have/are leaving and RM can't keep anyone and '...can't understand why'. We all just laughed!
k979aaa
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by k979aaa »

yellowbelly wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 12:23
guardianangel wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 04:44

.........as someone said they are finding it hard to recruit now,the doms in our office now look like the broken and stressed one's and i'm absolutely loving it.
Our manager said that most new recruits in our area have/are leaving and RM can't keep anyone and '...can't understand why'. We all just laughed!
Thing is £1 an hour worth more more work effort and stress than stacking shelves the s**t that comes with this job. People will leave and word gets around and they can say at the top this is a good job but in my eyes it has become servitude ie slaves but you can leave with a tarnished record of your employment by slave traders of RM. This is and the £1400 bung is the only holding factor in most peoples minds on there own future in the business!
postslippete
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by postslippete »

Nickvilla20 wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 07:22
If you know you can’t complete then you will work slower as you have no real incentive to get done. There is also no financial incentive to complete either you get paid the same if you do 2 loops or 20.

It just poor counter productive management if everyone had an achievable round then hardly anyone would cut off and sick absences would probably drop to.

It’s one of the few places I know where you get penalised for been good at your job.


That in a nutshell is what it is like working at Royal Mail these days. The company's executive management team may have successfully broken the spirit of many good, honest and hardworking employees but in return what they have lost is the goodwill and the willingness of staff to go the final mile.

The company's brand and its reputation of being reliable and trusted is slowly but surely being destroyed. How can it not when mail isn't being delivered on a daily basis or when parcels are supposed to arrive as scanned on the system to then find that it has not even been attempted because the postie hasn't had enough time to deliver them.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
k979aaa
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by k979aaa »

postslippete wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 17:26
Nickvilla20 wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 07:22
If you know you can’t complete then you will work slower as you have no real incentive to get done. There is also no financial incentive to complete either you get paid the same if you do 2 loops or 20.

It just poor counter productive management if everyone had an achievable round then hardly anyone would cut off and sick absences would probably drop to.

It’s one of the few places I know where you get penalised for been good at your job.


That in a nutshell is what it is like working at Royal Mail these days. The company's executive management team may have successfully broken the spirit of many good, honest and hardworking employees but in return what they have lost is the goodwill and the willingness of staff to go the final mile.

The company's brand and its reputation of being reliable and trusted is slowly but surely being destroyed. How can it not when mail isn't being delivered on a daily basis or when parcels are supposed to arrive as scanned on the system to then find that it has not even been attempted because the postie hasn't had enough time to deliver them.
Apathy has been the destruction of many nations and governments and businesses thing is we did warn them so fuckem!
HTPostman
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by HTPostman »

I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.

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enskied
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by enskied »

guardianangel wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 04:44
ashmeister77 wrote:
04 Aug 2023, 21:24
stevejm wrote:
04 Aug 2023, 17:12
bluempl wrote:
04 Aug 2023, 17:00
ashmeister77 wrote:
02 Aug 2023, 21:24
Commit to deliver won’t happen. Can’t understand why people are staying its coming in
Well they're not letting anyone cut off in our office anymore, been told anything we take out has to be cleared meaning we have to estimate correctly or you're stuck doing unwanted OT.
Always underestimate what you are capable of. I brought back 2 loops today as I overestimated what I could do and I have no built in leeway because I already walk as fast as I can [because I enjoy the exercise - but thats another matter] - not having any leeway means I can't make up time. I still gave the company 15 minutes at end of day.
Don’t give them a single minute ffs
Its funny because with all this s**t and clock in and out coming in all the runners have done a full 360 now they are the worse ones for leaving loops ,i always over estimate now and the job has gone from a tiring one to a lovely relaxed one ,as someone said they are finding it hard to recruit now,the doms in our office now look like the broken and stressed one's and i'm absolutely loving it.
Yet another delivery method coming for us on Monday.
Now any unmanned duty is to be lapsed and taken out early morning, for us then to return to the office and finish prepping our duties and our official lapsed duties.
No plan put in for who gets what from these unmanned duties.

"Let's just try" says the COM
postslippete
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by postslippete »

enskied wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 06:05

Yet another delivery method coming for us on Monday.
Now any unmanned duty is to be lapsed and taken out early morning, for us then to return to the office and finish prepping our duties and our official lapsed duties.
No plan put in for who gets what from these unmanned duties.

"Let's just try" says the COM


Managers used to ask us to do the lapse first before delivering your own duty knowing that some posties would always make sure their own frame is clear. Only the faster posties would race round trying to get everything done whilst most posties just ended up leaving loops on their own round. The next day these posties had loops of double mail to do in their own frames and it was priority for them to take that bit first, leaving no scope to take the lapsing.

You couldn't make it up.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
enskied
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by enskied »

postslippete wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 06:29
enskied wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 06:05

Yet another delivery method coming for us on Monday.
Now any unmanned duty is to be lapsed and taken out early morning, for us then to return to the office and finish prepping our duties and our official lapsed duties.
No plan put in for who gets what from these unmanned duties.

"Let's just try" says the COM


Managers used to ask us to do the lapse first before delivering your own duty knowing that some posties would always make sure their own frame is clear. Only the faster posties would race round trying to get everything done whilst most posties just ended up leaving loops on their own round. The next day these posties had loops of double mail to do in their own frames and it was priority for them to take that bit first, leaving no scope to take the lapsing.

You couldn't make it up.
No...this isn't the lapsed duties, these are every duty that is uncovered due to days off, holidays and understaffing. We still have our lapsed to do as well as our duties.
Mickeybrowneyes
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by Mickeybrowneyes »

postslippete wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 06:29
enskied wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 06:05

Yet another delivery method coming for us on Monday.
Now any unmanned duty is to be lapsed and taken out early morning, for us then to return to the office and finish prepping our duties and our official lapsed duties.
No plan put in for who gets what from these unmanned duties.

"Let's just try" says the COM


Managers used to ask us to do the lapse first before delivering your own duty knowing that some posties would always make sure their own frame is clear. Only the faster posties would race round trying to get everything done whilst most posties just ended up leaving loops on their own round. The next day these posties had loops of double mail to do in their own frames and it was priority for them to take that bit first, leaving no scope to take the lapsing.

You couldn't make it up.
If it's unagreed absorbtion then you do it at the end if you have time.
You don't even have to take it out. Managers hate it when you throw that curveball because they have to report it as a failure.
Instead of managing the cut up merchants they find easier to burden everyone, even if some are struggling.
Especially now they are micromanaged so intensely, any potential saved hours are emailed to them daily.
What they fail to understand is if you push too hard people lose interest and productivity goes down.
Grafters who go the extra mile to get unachievable workloads done just start plodding and following all the delivery protocols.
Royal mail so short sighted
pieoftheday
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by pieoftheday »

enskied wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 06:05
guardianangel wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 04:44
ashmeister77 wrote:
04 Aug 2023, 21:24
stevejm wrote:
04 Aug 2023, 17:12
bluempl wrote:
04 Aug 2023, 17:00
ashmeister77 wrote:
02 Aug 2023, 21:24
Commit to deliver won’t happen. Can’t understand why people are staying its coming in
Well they're not letting anyone cut off in our office anymore, been told anything we take out has to be cleared meaning we have to estimate correctly or you're stuck doing unwanted OT.
Always underestimate what you are capable of. I brought back 2 loops today as I overestimated what I could do and I have no built in leeway because I already walk as fast as I can [because I enjoy the exercise - but thats another matter] - not having any leeway means I can't make up time. I still gave the company 15 minutes at end of day.
Don’t give them a single minute ffs
Its funny because with all this s**t and clock in and out coming in all the runners have done a full 360 now they are the worse ones for leaving loops ,i always over estimate now and the job has gone from a tiring one to a lovely relaxed one ,as someone said they are finding it hard to recruit now,the doms in our office now look like the broken and stressed one's and i'm absolutely loving it.
Yet another delivery method coming for us on Monday.
Now any unmanned duty is to be lapsed and taken out early morning, for us then to return to the office and finish prepping our duties and our official lapsed duties.
No plan put in for who gets what from these unmanned duties.

"Let's just try" says the COM
We did that 20yrs ago and called it starbursting :Very Happy ultimately failed
mafiaman
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by mafiaman »

Office manager must have something in an email ,but ofcom must know it's still going on .and know what these corrupt people are doing to RM or are ofcom as corrupt as all the rest of them dodgy people corrupt government keep the working class below them
pieoftheday
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by pieoftheday »

HTPostman wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 17:57
I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.
We always aim to get back around 10 mins before finish time.the van has to be parked up and emptied, returned items have to be scanned In, returned loops have to be returned to fitting, if we got back dead on time we'd be over our time :Very Happy
LouBarlow
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Re: Managerial illegal activity

Post by LouBarlow »

pieoftheday wrote:
06 Aug 2023, 08:43
HTPostman wrote:
05 Aug 2023, 17:57
I stopped doing that little bit extra before this all kicked off (the average holiday non payment inspired me to work to my time) and I’m now counting down the days until I leave. It’s a shame really, experienced but young postie here with a 100% attendance record, zero complaints who knows 76 rounds and frequently went that extra mile previously. A managers wet dream. But not paying me money I was owed was the catalyst, and then the aggro from above be it from Simon or one of my overpaid managers was the final straw.

Today I miscalculated the traffic on my return back to the office - very difficult to calculate when you have traffic at a huge shopping centre, 15 sets of traffic lights and your route back is through a very touristy area. I arrived back 10 minutes early, my COM was on my case straight away and she started saying I should’ve stayed out another 10 minutes and that she has a good mind to send me back out. I let her rant for a minute then walked off to the toilet for the duration of my shift.

Just remember you wanted this Royal Mail, it’s your business to run after all.
We always aim to get back around 10 mins before finish time.the van has to be parked up and emptied, returned items have to be scanned In, returned loops have to be returned to fitting, if we got back dead on time we'd be over our time :Very Happy
I don’t think 10 minutes is enough really. We aim for driving back in with 20 minutes left, as it gives you enough time to park up, set the van on charge, empty it, allocate the post office mail to the correct York, scan items in, kill off mail etc. I think we would be rushing to do all this in ten minutes. Also they can’t send you back out if there are only twenty minutes left on your duty, as it isn’t time enough to reach your destination, deliver the excess, and return again before your finish time.