Glad to see some of you start to realise the union wont win this one and you are losing money for nothing by striking.
Everybody knows that in order to reach an agreement then some compromise is needed from both sides. If the union negotiators go too far in agreeing RM's demands then the members will simply vote down any deal and the strikes will continue.
If members had all been sniveling cowards who weren't prepared to fight and strike then Simon would not only have introduced his current proposed changes but would have quickly come back with more.
When this dispute is over I hope that the cowardly strike breakers will have the good grace to pick the shittiest duties going and donate any pay rise over 2% to charity given that they have done sweet FA to fight for anything better. In reality I suspect that the cowards will simply freeload off the sacrifices that others made. They are the lowest of the low.
Unfortunatley the union got it wrong by not talking about pay and changes, thats where they lost me, anybody could see no talks would start until they lost that one.
They lost you when you didn't get the vote you wanted, Selfish
Not really for 2yearpostie. He was right and the Union has now acknowledged that pay and terms has to be part of one negotiation or in order words, it has to be pay and terms as specified by Royal Mail.
I just got a message from my rep saying the same thing. The Union got it wrong!
Exactly, any money that anyone who has been on strike has lost up to now is because the union has been too pig headed, theyve thrown you under the bus and made you poorer for no reason.
If they had agreed to talk about both from the start, then maybe no one would have had to loose any money at all.
Lets hope they can both get in a room and COMPROMISE next week.
Glad to see some of you start to realise the union wont win this one and you are losing money for nothing by striking.
Everybody knows that in order to reach an agreement then some compromise is needed from both sides. If the union negotiators go too far in agreeing RM's demands then the members will simply vote down any deal and the strikes will continue.
If members had all been sniveling cowards who weren't prepared to fight and strike then Simon would not only have introduced his current proposed changes but would have quickly come back with more.
When this dispute is over I hope that the cowardly strike breakers will have the good grace to pick the shittiest duties going and donate any pay rise over 2% to charity given that they have done sweet FA to fight for anything better. In reality I suspect that the cowards will simply freeload off the sacrifices that others made. They are the lowest of the low.
Unfortunatley the union got it wrong by not talking about pay and changes, thats where they lost me, anybody could see no talks would start until they lost that one.
They lost you when you didn't get the vote you wanted, Selfish
Not really for 2yearpostie. He was right and the Union has now acknowledged that pay and terms has to be part of one negotiation or in order words, it has to be pay and terms as specified by Royal Mail.
I just got a message from my rep saying the same thing. The Union got it wrong!
Exactly, any money that anyone who has been on strike has lost up to now is because the union has been too pig headed, theyve thrown you under the bus and made you poorer for no reason.
If they had agreed to talk about both from the start, then maybe no one would have had to loose any money at all.
Lets hope they can both get in a room and COMPROMISE next week.
You would have us all accept the 2% no questions asked.
No strike action = no compromise from Royal Mail its that simple
Why would they if everybody was like you?
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
Just remember the membership still have to vote on any deal.
I don't think so... Since when do we get to vote on deals? I think the CWU recommends a Yes vote and Reps votes. I might be wrong but we shall not get a vote that might change the CWU stand or agreement with RM...
What happens if we vote NO? I doubt CWU will give us an option to carry on striking when they have accepted RM terms
Hopefully truss gets her law through and we will all get a vote on a payrise
I don't recall the 2% being immediately imposed... It was after many of the talks had broken down and the CWU insisted on a no-strings payrise given the cost of living crisis and inflation...
There was much talk about no-strings; so RM took the opportunity to give us some sort of payrise as a benevolent gesture to tide us over while the rest of the negotiations carried on.
It was the Union that insisted on separating the pay and the terms but it was always going to be a hard task...
* Losing money is one thing but fighting an unwinnable battle can be considered foolish!
Exactly, any money that anyone who has been on strike has lost up to now is because the union has been too pig headed, theyve thrown you under the bus and made you poorer for no reason.
If they had agreed to talk about both from the start, then maybe no one would have had to loose any money at all.
Lets hope they can both get in a room and COMPROMISE next week.
When the Union get us Superior Conditions And Better pay, I hope you turn it all down.
I don't recall the 2% being immediately imposed... It was after many of the talks had broken down and the CWU insisted on a no-strings payrise given the cost of living crisis and inflation...
There was much talk about no-strings; so RM took the opportunity to give us some sort of payrise as a benevolent gesture to tide us over while the rest of the negotiations carried on.
It was the Union that insisted on separating the pay and the terms but it was always going to be a hard task...
* Losing money is one thing but fighting an unwinnable battle can be considered foolish!
What on earth makes you think that this is an unwinnable battle? We, the employees, can ultimately destroy the investment of the shareholders in this business. It isn't the union that started a war. We simply wanted an inflation based payrise. The business declared war on their employees pay, terms and conditions.
I will always fight this type of aggression and am quite prepared to destrpy RM rather than let RM get what they want. I will always vote against any "agreement" that doesn't start with a pay rise matching inflation and then add on extra for any terms that they want to change to our detriment.
I don't recall the 2% being immediately imposed... It was after many of the talks had broken down and the CWU insisted on a no-strings payrise given the cost of living crisis and inflation...
There was much talk about no-strings; so RM took the opportunity to give us some sort of payrise as a benevolent gesture to tide us over while the rest of the negotiations carried on.
It was the Union that insisted on separating the pay and the terms but it was always going to be a hard task...
* Losing money is one thing but fighting an unwinnable battle can be considered foolish!
What on earth makes you think that this is an unwinnable battle? We, the employees, can ultimately destroy the investment of the shareholders in this business. It isn't the union that started a war. We simply wanted an inflation based payrise. The business declared war on their employees pay, terms and conditions.
I will always fight this type of aggression and am quite prepared to destrpy RM rather than let RM get what they want. I will always vote against any "agreement" that doesn't start with a pay rise matching inflation and then add on extra for any terms that they want to change to our detriment.
Well said at the end of the day we have our principals we should not be railroaded into the action which we of course defended ourselves this is about dignity and respect for what we did over the last two years of this pandemic. Get a decent offer on the table we can talk about change but change cannot be imposed or rushed in without thought for those who it will effect!
2% increase, after working through a pandemic, where parcel volumes during lockdown were akin to Christmas volumes, day in day out, for months and months would have been an insult even in times of low inflation. Especially considering they spaffed £533m on dividends whilst claiming there’s no money for uniforms
In times of 10% inflation, however, 2% is literally unacceptable.
I know we aren’t going to get an inflation-busting pay rise. But reducing our standard of living by, in effect, 8% is / was bound to provoke a negative reaction and demands for strike action
