Executive Action…

[Clappedoutpostie]

Just had a look on holiday app. My upcoming holiday has Sunday down as well as Mon to Sat as approved holiday. Looks like Sunday working may be getting pushed through already. Sundays were never highlighted in green before.

It’s when Sundays are not greyed out on the app u want to worry.

[richj2009]

True true

[steve1873]

What would be good is if they give us more shares or 2 grand to agree to changes then they can do what they want

The going rate used to be 30 pieces of silver!

Whatever they offer you have to calculate what that's worth over the rest of your employment with the company. To use your example if they gave you £2000 and you continued to work for RM for a further 5 years you're only looking at about an extra £8 a week!

Then consider what RM want you to sign away for that £8 a week.

I remember when we signed away the Old Door to Door Payments (hidden in amongst the small print) which used to average at least £50 a week, sometimes as high as £80. I believe we sold our souls for about £200 that time FFS.

I mean you can make a point without exaggeration. The unit rate was 1.67p per item. You would have had to deliver 3000 items of d2d to make £50.

Bare in mind, there was a cap of 3 contracts during this time.

Are you saying your delivery, way back pre-2010 had 1000 delivery points?

[renrag40]

1.67p was for leaflets up to 20g. The unit payment increase in bands 35g, 60g, 80g 100g etc. I think the highest unit payment I can remember was 4p per drop. It was quite possible for people to get in excess of £100 by doing the D2Ds on other walks. We had 1 lad who regularly did that and would average well over £50 per week ....... and that was in 2003 which is when I ,thankfully, got out of delivery.
There were areas of the country which were booked solid for the 3 drops per week for the full year in advance.

[steve1873]

1.67p was for leaflets up to 20g. The unit payment increase in bands 35g, 60g, 80g 100g etc. I think the highest unit payment I can remember was 4p per drop. It was quite possible for people to get in excess of £100 by doing the D2Ds on other walks. We had 1 lad who regularly did that and would average well over £50 per week ....... and that was in 2003 which is when I ,thankfully, got out of delivery.
There were areas of the country which were booked solid for the 3 drops per week for the full year in advance.

Fair enough, I accept if you are doing them for other walks then of course you are going to earn more. But on your own walk, let's say you had 500 calls, that was going to come I'm at just over £25 assuming you had 3 contracts.

Yes, the potential there was to earn more by doing other walks, but that is effectively overtime, which indeed still exists as a means to earn more.

My point was, saying the average was £50 was an exaggeration unless deliveries were ~1000 calls back prior to pay & mod 2010. Obviously I can't speak for other units, but I know there wasn't a single delivery that large or anywhere remotely close to it back then.

[Woody Guthrie]

I'm fairly neutral on the whole D2D and delivery supplement thing.

The delivery supplement payment is consistent and the work went into workload and you get it on holiday or off sick which are all good things.

D2D is also way down on the peak when we were consistently getting 6 or sometimes even more.
Most weeks now it's 1 or 2.

The people that really got screwed were the senior guys because half of their delivery supplement actually came from their early shift allowance so the money they really got to replace the D2D payments was as little as £10.

However it's an old argument and we have bigger fish to steam bath and flash fry.

[SpacePhoenix]

I'm fairly neutral on the whole D2D and delivery supplement thing.

The delivery supplement payment is consistent and the work went into workload and you get it on holiday or off sick which are all good things.

D2D is also way down on the peak when we were consistently getting 6 or sometimes even more.
Most weeks now it's 1 or 2.

The people that really got screwed were the senior guys because half of their delivery supplement actually came from their early shift allowance so the money they really got to replace the D2D payments was as little as £10.

However it's an old argument and we have bigger fish to steam bath and flash fry.

Don't know if it's just local but I can now sometimes go 2-3 weeks without getting any D2D in the post and when I do it's just 1 or 2

[WASD]

Averaging two D2Ds here currently. I expect RM probably lost a few contracts thanks to short staffing and lack of deliveries being made with them

[postieblueshirt]

Started in 95 my duty was considered crap 724 doors all council d2d was a good earner.but I'm to lazy to work out how much..do remember delivering shampoo samples think they were 4p each..

[ssdd]

I actually agree with 2 year postie on some of the things, unions have little power these days, a lot of the change will be pushed through regardless of striking or not. What would be good is if they give us more shares or 2 grand to agree to changes then they can do what they want

What would be good is if they give us a fair day's pay for a fair day's work! Forget your shares or your limp sums.

[postiewhite]

What a defeatist attitude

You may say you are being realistic but if we all had your attitude can you imagine the working conditions/pay/hours etc?

Oh I agree and of course we have to voice our displeasure with this and try to find some middle ground, but the company will Always get most of what they want, Just hope Terry uses the mandate to lever talks instead of strikes and meet the company half way, IE Sundays fine, rota everyone in fairly at the start of the year for 4 so they have a full years notice to orginize family stuff, later starts go from them wanting 3 hours down to just 1.5hours, flexy time becoming more like the old jo and knock and being calculated each month instead of yearly thing, talks on the sick pay etc.

You for real? Go and give your head a wobble

This is whats coming, maybe you need to get your head around that, changes will hapen, its just a matter of what changes will happen

Changes happen all the time but ffs get your head out of your backside an at least show a bit of fight..

This guy is definitely a manager of some sort pal. Ive seen many many negative posts by him over the past few weeks. Something doesn't sit right with me

[2yearpostie]

What a defeatist attitude

You may say you are being realistic but if we all had your attitude can you imagine the working conditions/pay/hours etc?

Oh I agree and of course we have to voice our displeasure with this and try to find some middle ground, but the company will Always get most of what they want, Just hope Terry uses the mandate to lever talks instead of strikes and meet the company half way, IE Sundays fine, rota everyone in fairly at the start of the year for 4 so they have a full years notice to orginize family stuff, later starts go from them wanting 3 hours down to just 1.5hours, flexy time becoming more like the old jo and knock and being calculated each month instead of yearly thing, talks on the sick pay etc.

You for real? Go and give your head a wobble

This is whats coming, maybe you need to get your head around that, changes will hapen, its just a matter of what changes will happen

Changes happen all the time but ffs get your head out of your backside an at least show a bit of fight..

This guy is definitely a manager of some sort pal. Ive seen many many negative posts by him over the past few weeks. Something doesn't sit right with me

Im the little voice that you know is being realistic, but you dont want to listen to it.
Im not a manager, however ive worked in loads of other companies where the boss has had the attitude you do as they say as they are paying you or you use the little door marked exit. Thats what RM has decided to do now.

[yellowbelly]

however ive worked in loads of other companies where the boss has had the attitude you do as they say as they are paying you or you use the little door marked exit......

So you've been through that exit door a few times then.......

[2yearpostie]

however ive worked in loads of other companies where the boss has had the attitude you do as they say as they are paying you or you use the little door marked exit......

So you've been through that exit door a few times then.......

Absolutley, but for reasons such as overtime being forced on you 5 minutes before you where due to leave, clocking off at 5pm instead of 5;01pm, loading trucks with white goods by hand for £7ph etc..

Compaired to that Royal mails objectives ( once a comprise has been reached) dont sound so bad.

[robson144]

however ive worked in loads of other companies where the boss has had the attitude you do as they say as they are paying you or you use the little door marked exit......

So you've been through that exit door a few times then.......

Absolutley, but for reasons such as overtime being forced on you 5 minutes before you where due to leave, clocking off at 5pm instead of 5;01pm, loading trucks with white goods by hand for £7ph etc..

Compaired to that Royal mails objectives ( once a comprise has been reached) dont sound so bad.

Oh so YOU'RE one of the ones that are voting no to strike action. Wondered who they were.