PEC

[hans solo]

I am on the PE. The vote was unanimous.

I have been in Royal Mail for 38 years , I have led and organised both official action. I have been suspended and have been threatened for taking unofficial action. Including a claim against my house in 2003.

I can’t say why all the over PE members voted yes but have there reasons are very similar to mine, however mine are :

1. I have seen Royal Mail true financial position, presented by Mick Jeavons. All the arguments about last years dividends or the bonuses they paid don’t change the serious position that they are in.

2. Further strikes won’t change there business plan but might tip the company into administration.

3. No government appointed administrator will be interested in more pay , later starts , annualised hours , sick pay etc. Their only concern will be to reduce costs.

4. Royal Mail coming of planes is going to happen with or without an agreement. The only question is do you want that with an agreement to minimise later starts or do you want up to 3 hours.

5. Royal Mail are saying sick pay costs are now over 300 million and they are going to reduce sick pay costs by executive action or did we modify their proposals ?

6. Rejecting the agreement is your choice. However Royal Mail are legally bound to impose sufficient change by executive action to avoid administration so no agreement does not mean change.

7. We have reduced Royal Mails proposals on every issue. However no agreement will still mean to avoid administration that Royal Mail has to impose a business plan.

8. Finally those who are calling for rejection, are you willing to if administration actually happens to go and explain why that member is being made redundant or that Royal Mail has no access to pay your weekly wage ?

This is an agreement which has stopped Royal Mail in so many ways but has things in it which we would not like or want. However every bit of the agreement has a price against and Royal Mail have made it clear there is no agreement unless they get enough potential money from it to survive.

So I will respect the ballot decision but please don’t believe by voting no you will not get worse imposed change and a real threat of administration.

You ain’t out walking for over 5 hours though in severe weather
Heat exhaustion in summer and freezing in winter
With your wonderful changes to our terms and conditions which we have already fought for over the years and your prepared to give up
And I take it h&s issues regards longer spans , walking in dark , have all been assessed
Mental health issues are going to get worse due to changes especially to the attendance and sick leave agreement
And the way RM treat mental health is to dismiss employees and take their chance with claims against
The PEC are treating their members with disdain
Threat of administration I would take with a pinch of salt
I would test them on it

[CRIBMAD]

not surprised people who have a cushy job (processing etc) want to bend over and take it , they havent got to walk 13 mile a day !

VOTE NO !

[post6675]

The union and PEC have shown how spineless they are . Not even have the decency to face their own members who pay their ridiculous salaries . This dispute has at least highlighted the CWU = CORRUPT - WORTHLESS - UNDERHANDED for who they really represent . THEMSELVES. This bunch of charlatans are laughing at our expense. They are a fkn disgrace . Ironically our subs have paid then to shaft us . We paid for our own downfall .

Plenty of meetings going on in an outside of work how is that spineless?? are you now going to desert then come running back if you ever hit trouble??

You work in processing - you are obviously all for RM/CWU (not sure which is which now) -so glad i never served in the military with such defeatists as yourself.

Yes i work in a mc wtf has the military got to do with rm chat???????? Ffs.

because he compared a work dispute to being in the trenches like they are the same thing

[timbo1234]

There's a lot of anger on here but most of it is directed at the CWU and the salaries of top officials. Voting No WILL NOT CHANGE ANY OF THAT. That must be done by the membership at Union election time. People must decide on the deal NOT who is responsible, how, why and when. The CWU is not in control of what RM plan to do if it is a NO vote. Yes vent your anger, yes change the individuals in the CWU but don't let anger cloud sensible judgment. If you think RM will not carry out any of their threats then vote no. If you think the CWU is truthful and got the best deal then vote yes. There will be consequences either way.

[hans solo]

f***ing right their will if this deal goes through our whole office are contemplating withdrawing from union and collectively paying our own lawyer

[aiden01]

The union and PEC have shown how spineless they are . Not even have the decency to face their own members who pay their ridiculous salaries . This dispute has at least highlighted the CWU = CORRUPT - WORTHLESS - UNDERHANDED for who they really represent . THEMSELVES. This bunch of charlatans are laughing at our expense. They are a fkn disgrace . Ironically our subs have paid then to shaft us . We paid for our own downfall .

Plenty of meetings going on in an outside of work how is that spineless?? are you now going to desert then come running back if you ever hit trouble??

You work in processing - you are obviously all for RM/CWU (not sure which is which now) -so glad i never served in the military with such defeatists as yourself.

Yes i work in a mc wtf has the military got to do with rm chat???????? Ffs.

because he compared a work dispute to being in the trenches like they are the same thing

Rather be in a work dispute.

[k979aaa]

The union and PEC have shown how spineless they are . Not even have the decency to face their own members who pay their ridiculous salaries . This dispute has at least highlighted the CWU = CORRUPT - WORTHLESS - UNDERHANDED for who they really represent . THEMSELVES. This bunch of charlatans are laughing at our expense. They are a fkn disgrace . Ironically our subs have paid then to shaft us . We paid for our own downfall .

Plenty of meetings going on in an outside of work how is that spineless?? are you now going to desert then come running back if you ever hit trouble??

You work in processing - you are obviously all for RM/CWU (not sure which is which now) -so glad i never served in the military with such defeatists as yourself.

Yes i work in a mc wtf has the military got to do with rm chat???????? Ffs.

because he compared a work dispute to being in the trenches like they are the same thing

Rather be in a work dispute.

Rather have a good deal and no war and the rich get poorer!

[enskied]

not surprised people who have a cushy job (processing etc) want to bend over and take it , they havent got to walk 13 mile a day !

VOTE NO !

Don't dismiss what they do in processing,
Yes, I believe it is easier than delivery, but I doubt they have a hasel free work life.
Just better than ours.

[Hyrrokkin]

I am on the PE. The vote was unanimous.

I have been in Royal Mail for 38 years , I have led and organised both official action. I have been suspended and have been threatened for taking unofficial action. Including a claim against my house in 2003.

I can’t say why all the over PE members voted yes but have there reasons are very similar to mine, however mine are :

1. I have seen Royal Mail true financial position, presented by Mick Jeavons. All the arguments about last years dividends or the bonuses they paid don’t change the serious position that they are in.

2. Further strikes won’t change there business plan but might tip the company into administration.

3. No government appointed administrator will be interested in more pay , later starts , annualised hours , sick pay etc. Their only concern will be to reduce costs.

4. Royal Mail coming of planes is going to happen with or without an agreement. The only question is do you want that with an agreement to minimise later starts or do you want up to 3 hours.

5. Royal Mail are saying sick pay costs are now over 300 million and they are going to reduce sick pay costs by executive action or did we modify their proposals ?

6. Rejecting the agreement is your choice. However Royal Mail are legally bound to impose sufficient change by executive action to avoid administration so no agreement does not mean change.

7. We have reduced Royal Mails proposals on every issue. However no agreement will still mean to avoid administration that Royal Mail has to impose a business plan.

8. Finally those who are calling for rejection, are you willing to if administration actually happens to go and explain why that member is being made redundant or that Royal Mail has no access to pay your weekly wage ?

This is an agreement which has stopped Royal Mail in so many ways but has things in it which we would not like or want. However every bit of the agreement has a price against and Royal Mail have made it clear there is no agreement unless they get enough potential money from it to survive.

So I will respect the ballot decision but please don’t believe by voting no you will not get worse imposed change and a real threat of administration.

1.The old "they messed up the company finances oh well we have to pay the price argument" -
We lose more t&c so they can get out of the mess they created - utterly pathetic stance from the CWU
By the time RM finish we will have virtually no t&c left to fight for

[Spartacus]

Elected officials are there to represent us, not the RM board. We gave you the biggest mandate you could have asked for and you refused to use it, now it's us mugs who have to pay the price of both RMs and the CWUs incompetence.

The whole dispute has been an absolute farce, from the first strike day when it was obvious that one day strikes were totally ineffective, to letting all that executive action happen without any pushback at all.

You have let us all down.

[zz666]

Probably the weakest union in uk. eg failed illegal ballots. Have let management run roughshod over workers.

[carlosevenos]

The union is the one that's going to suffer long term. The union is finished if this gets in. People will cancel subs, and royal mail will push for more and more every year, and eventually the union will be no more in royal mail. Its a sad state of affairs.

[carlosevenos]

why did the union promise so much martin when they knew they couldn't deliver? Its inexcusable. Led members on for months whilst we lost loads of money. We could have had this sort of deal a couple months ago, as not much different from what was offered.

Just feel as if union were afraid of being derecognised and threw us under the bus.

I will be voting yes though unfortunately as royal mail will bring these changes in regardless, so may as well get a small pay rise.

[aiden01]

not surprised people who have a cushy job (processing etc) want to bend over and take it , they havent got to walk 13 mile a day !

VOTE NO !

Don't dismiss what they do in processing,
Yes, I believe it is easier than delivery, but I doubt they have a hasel free work life.
Just better than ours.

For once we agree. personally if i was on delivery i would be long gone.

[enskied]

not surprised people who have a cushy job (processing etc) want to bend over and take it , they havent got to walk 13 mile a day !

VOTE NO !

Don't dismiss what they do in processing,
Yes, I believe it is easier than delivery, but I doubt they have a hasel free work life.
Just better than ours.

For once we agree. personally if i was on delivery i would be long gone.

Nice to shake your hand at last Aiden.