Latest update from CWU & Royal Mail

[Woody Guthrie]

what was ofcoms findings on the USO?

Whatever Royal Mail told them to be.
They are after all their largest donor.

[daveyeff]

so whatever suits them really.

[yellowbelly]

It's pretty clear there are two versions of our union.
It has multiple personality disorder.

It will be interesting to see how any potential deal plays out because none of Royal Mail's proposed changes improve our terms and conditions so who will be sacrificed to get this deal and who will be protected.

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what was ofcoms findings on the USO?

OFCOM and Si 'more or less' Thompson obviously haven't spoken to the same 'customers':

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... tement.pdf

[Weetrogg2]

We are not going to resolve this dispute not discussing pay and change together.

Why?
We didn't ask for change, Royal Mail introduced change into the equation so they could manipulate our pay demand into their change agenda.

Most of the other unions who've negotiated pay increases for their members lately have managed it without eroding their terms and conditions and let's be brutally honest here that's exactly what we mean by "change", continually managing the decline of our terms and conditions.

To be honest we're sick of "deals of the century" and the unit reps are sick of explaining away capitulation.

Why didn't you stand firm?
Why didn't you stick to the mandate given to you by the members to negotiate a separate pay deal? Why even throw that out there if you didn't think you had the balls to pull it off?

Is it the threat to full release Martin, was that a bridge too far?

Woody I’m worried that you’re on to something regarding the release issue When i was elected as a local distribution rep over 15yrs ago I was advised by my area processing rep never to let anything go up to div reps as they are detached from the shop floor and do not understand the issue’s.

Me and my members are not stood on the picket in the pissing rain to protect (div reps, regional reps, pec) release time but i would say the role of the area rep is very important and useful and from my point of view needs to be retained. Anyway rant over

[britwrit]

It's pretty clear there are two versions of our union.
It has multiple personality disorder.

It will be interesting to see how any potential deal plays out because none of Royal Mail's proposed changes improve our terms and conditions so who will be sacrificed to get this deal and who will be protected.

In the meantime... FB_IMG_1665164408337.jpg

These tyoes of threads tend to go off on tangents but....

Seriously? Our customers are folks who send stuff. Whoever said they wanted worse service for the same price or more?

[k979aaa]

It's pretty clear there are two versions of our union.
It has multiple personality disorder.

It will be interesting to see how any potential deal plays out because none of Royal Mail's proposed changes improve our terms and conditions so who will be sacrificed to get this deal and who will be protected.

In the meantime... FB_IMG_1665164408337.jpg

These tyoes of threads tend to go off on tangents but....

Seriously? Our customers are folks who send stuff. Whoever said they wanted worse service for the same price or more?

Well the shareholders did after simon thompson gave them £450 million in dividends himself was probably one, But they also gave themselves the CEO and Chairman and Directors way more than inflation. You have to ask yourselves if your need is worth their greed!

[postslippete]

Royal Mail want to discuss "change and pay". The CWU now want to discuss "pay and change"


You know that negotiations are not going to go well if they can't agree on what order they want to discuss things in

[k979aaa]

Royal Mail want to discuss "change and pay". The CWU now want to discuss "pay and change"


You know that negotiations are not going to go well if they can't agree on what order they want to discuss things in

Remuneration and Evolution agreement of 2022 is that a good title!

[HTPostman]

Royal Mail want to discuss "change and pay". The CWU now want to discuss "pay and change"


You know that negotiations are not going to go well if they can't agree on what order they want to discuss things in

Remuneration and Evolution agreement of 2022 is that a good title!

Get your bingo cards ready:

Groundbreaking
Working together
Future progress
Mutual agreement
New era
Deal of the century

[Woody Guthrie]

I think one thing you won't see is legally binding.

[k979aaa]

I think one thing you won't see is legally binding.

As any agreement is written is salt coated floors and will be blown away in the sands and winds of time are contracts worth there while then for anybody? This country of ours is a dictatorship ruled by the few for the profit of the few good old Liz Truss only got 81,326 votes and now leads the nation into the abyss of capitalism at all costs!

[Surreypostie]

I seriously worry that this strike will collapse. We are supposed to be striking for two things, one being a no strings pay rise, what is what we voted for, that is what they have a 90 odd percent mandate to go for. Now Martin Walsh says on here, it isn't going to happen, now we are talking about 2 year deals and more stings than pinochio. If it goes on much longer, I will cross the line, quit the union and bollocks to all of it.

Deal of the century
Legally binding, my arse, it was a no strike clause, no disrepect but 17 glorified postman making the decisions.

What I want to know is, if we are no longer fighting for a no strings pay rise, what will the PEC think is a suitable offer to put before us? I personally have no idea what we want anymore.

[k979aaa]

As someone said above why strike but this is a cop out It up to each of us to defend our ground all national strike do is highlight a causse after that it is every office to deny the ground of falsehood and lies by the management! At the end of the day you have to fight for your right !

[walthmstowman]

I seriously worry that this strike will collapse. We are supposed to be striking for two things, one being a no strings pay rise, what is what we voted for, that is what they have a 90 odd percent mandate to go for. Now Martin Walsh says on here, it isn't going to happen, now we are talking about 2 year deals and more stings than pinochio. If it goes on much longer, I will cross the line, quit the union and bollocks to all of it.

Deal of the century
Legally binding, my arse, it was a no strike clause, no disrepect but 17 glorified postman making the decisions.

What I want to know is, if we are no longer fighting for a no strings pay rise, what will the PEC think is a suitable offer to put before us? I personally have no idea what we want anymore.

Whatever it is we now want we'll be no nearer to it after Monday's meeting . I'm not in the slightest bit hopeful there will be any progress .

[aiden01]

I seriously worry that this strike will collapse. We are supposed to be striking for two things, one being a no strings pay rise, what is what we voted for, that is what they have a 90 odd percent mandate to go for. Now Martin Walsh says on here, it isn't going to happen, now we are talking about 2 year deals and more stings than pinochio. If it goes on much longer, I will cross the line, quit the union and bollocks to all of it.

Deal of the century
Legally binding, my arse, it was a no strike clause, no disrepect but 17 glorified postman making the decisions.

What I want to know is, if we are no longer fighting for a no strings pay rise, what will the PEC think is a suitable offer to put before us? I personally have no idea what we want anymore.

Whatever it is we now want we'll be no nearer to it after Monday's meeting . I'm not in the slightest bit hopeful there will be any progress .

Don't be surprised if strike is called off just my opinion.