I would back a limited number of paid sick days per year as the current system is open to abuse.
Maybe 14 days + anything with a doctors note would work better?
Your advocating getting rid of our great sick terms for a couple of bad apples which every office has,why would we want poorer sick terms.
Personally I think we need the sick cover we have. The job entails working in all weathers were the chance of having a bad accident / dog attack could put you off work for a while. Also it seems stress/ mental health is now a issue with the job with posties feeling pushed to clear frames work over there time and the job getting on top of them.
I would back a limited number of paid sick days per year
of course you would
Yeah i would cause those people that use sick pay as extra holiday heap pressure on the rest of us to either take extra to cover thier job or have an argument with the dom why you cant.
And for those unfortunate to have long term health conditions, which may mean that they are off because of it several times a year? I take it'd you'd rather they got their P45s? Lets just hope you never face long term health conditions...
I would back a limited number of paid sick days per year
of course you would
Yeah i would cause those people that use sick pay as extra holiday heap pressure on the rest of us to either take extra to cover thier job or have an argument with the dom why you cant.
And for those unfortunate to have long term health conditions, which may mean that they are off because of it several times a year? I take it'd you'd rather they got their P45s? Lets just hope you never face long term health conditions...
If you have a long term health condition why would you want to be carrying bags in all weathers anyway? Be much better off down Aldi stacking shelves.
Personally I think we need the sick cover we have. The job entails working in all weathers were the chance of having a bad accident / dog attack could put you off work for a while. Also it seems stress/ mental health is now a issue with the job with posties feeling pushed to clear frames work over there time and the job getting on top of them.
It's not the genuine sickness they would be after, it would be the first three days of paid sick absence.
The hangovers and the football matches, last minute weddings, festivals and parties.
I think to be fair a lot of their sick absence could be reduced by bringing the annual leave system into the 21st century. It is embarrassingly rigid and unwieldy.
Perhaps the ability to book ad hoc single days on the app may address this if managers are not allowed to screw it up.
I think the whole sick pay thing is a farse, but so is everything in this company. Encouraged poor work ethics through and through, no responsibility taken for anything, includes those at top.
I was brought up on saving for a rainy day was wise. Now it's just all credit here, credit there. No wonder people are feeling scared about this year's increases.
Anyhow, payrise of 1% or 10%, just kicking the can down the road. No better working conditions, no thought given on how to retain staff, same problems, same lack of solutions.
I would back a limited number of paid sick days per year
of course you would
Yeah i would cause those people that use sick pay as extra holiday heap pressure on the rest of us to either take extra to cover thier job or have an argument with the dom why you cant.
And for those unfortunate to have long term health conditions, which may mean that they are off because of it several times a year? I take it'd you'd rather they got their P45s? Lets just hope you never face long term health conditions...
If you have a long term health condition why would you want to be carrying bags in all weathers anyway? Be much better off down Aldi stacking shelves.
Surely it depends on the individuals health condition. As I said lets just hope you are never in a position where you are unfortunate to have a period of ill health...
Personally I think we need the sick cover we have. The job entails working in all weathers were the chance of having a bad accident / dog attack could put you off work for a while. Also it seems stress/ mental health is now a issue with the job with posties feeling pushed to clear frames work over there time and the job getting on top of them.
It's not the genuine sickness they would be after, it would be the first three days of paid sick absence.
The hangovers and the football matches, last minute weddings, festivals and parties.
I think to be fair a lot of their sick absence could be reduced by bringing the annual leave system into the 21st century. It is embarrassingly rigid and unwieldy.
Perhaps the ability to book ad hoc single days on the app may address this if managers are not allowed to screw it up.
The annual leave system is a joke. My DOM is even seemingly picking my leave for me now (my app is showing i have a week off next January which is news to me!).
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I think the whole sick pay thing is a farse, but so is everything in this company. Encouraged poor work ethics through and through, no responsibility taken for anything, includes those at top.
I was brought up on saving for a rainy day was wise. Now it's just all credit here, credit there. No wonder people are feeling scared about this year's increases.
Anyhow, payrise of 1% or 10%, just kicking the can down the road. No better working conditions, no thought given on how to retain staff, same problems, same lack of solutions.
I perfectly understand your approach to saving for the rainy days and I do exactly same. However this should be irrelevant to the payrise we should all receive. If the company will not be paying more in line with inflation or at least to keep the gap from the minimum wage. Do you think it will help to retain or recruit people? If trend of pay freeze would continue along with the ever increasing living costs very quickly you would realise that you have to start dipping into your savings and you are unable to save anymore and soon you end up broke while you continue to wreck your health for royal mail. Most likely at that point you would have left for something a lot less demanding paying similar money because everything else would have caught up in terms of pay.
I think the whole sick pay thing is a farse, but so is everything in this company. Encouraged poor work ethics through and through, no responsibility taken for anything, includes those at top.
I was brought up on saving for a rainy day was wise. Now it's just all credit here, credit there. No wonder people are feeling scared about this year's increases.
Anyhow, payrise of 1% or 10%, just kicking the can down the road. No better working conditions, no thought given on how to retain staff, same problems, same lack of solutions.
There's saving for rainy days, and there's trying to deal with fuel bills going from 80 a month to 133 quid a month!
Apparently Manpower casuals working for Royal Mail received a payrise last week to approx £15 per hour during the week and £19 per hour on Sunday with 8 hours guaranteed on Sunday.
The sick absences are directly linked to how piss poor the annual leave system is.
You’re often booking annual leave a year and a half in advance and if your offices are anything like mine , you’re given 2 week blocks throughout the year which you then have to either swap with someone else which is a nightmare or wait until April to see if any spare weeks come up and it’s a mad scramble.
A better annual leave system also needs better staffing so Royal Mail can’t have it all ways.
Also as someone mentioned above , I’m one of those people that has a chronic illness or 2 , one of which means a yearly hospital trip for cancer checks , I only found out about it during lockdown but both conditions don’t stop me doing my job but do require me to keep a close eye on them… point being is that this can happen to anyone and most people don’t abuse the sick t&c’s we have and we certainly don’t want to lose them.
Personally I think we need the sick cover we have. The job entails working in all weathers were the chance of having a bad accident / dog attack could put you off work for a while. Also it seems stress/ mental health is now a issue with the job with posties feeling pushed to clear frames work over there time and the job getting on top of them.
It's not the genuine sickness they would be after, it would be the first three days of paid sick absence.
The hangovers and the football matches, last minute weddings, festivals and parties.
I think to be fair a lot of their sick absence could be reduced by bringing the annual leave system into the 21st century. It is embarrassingly rigid and unwieldy.
Perhaps the ability to book ad hoc single days on the app may address this if managers are not allowed to screw it up.
Good point on holidays in all the places I have worked I,ve never came across how difficult it is to get time off from Royal Mail
