What knowledge do you think you are gaining from the daily mail?yellowbelly wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 10:20Just because you read a publication/article of a certain political leaning doesn't mean you agree with it.
I always take the view 'Knowledge is power'.
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Anyone read the telegraph?
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LouBarlow
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Seymour Buts
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I'd be happy with dropping letters on a Saturday, providing the guarantees on redundancies ect remain. I think we're the only European postal service that offers letters 6 days nowadays. Mondays call rate on letters now is probably 20 - 30%; it's virtually pointless taking them out. Let those that have floating rest days work Monday - Friday, and the 6 day SA contracts like mine cover the weekends. Everybody benefits; company saves a fortune in wages and staff get weekends off. That's what happened at our DO during the covid period.
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k979aaa
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If anyone on here thinks they will do monday to friday and that will be the end of the cost cutting think on. If alone they go rid of just Saturdays mail it would mean 1 in 6 jobs going 18% of the workforce! But it could be that you do a round every three days with tripple mail so half the staff triple the work.
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beaker boy
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Non drivers got Sat of during COVID,but came into work on Monday having to deal with two days mail & normal parcels / packets coz only tracked got delivered.Seymour Buts wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 16:43I'd be happy with dropping letters on a Saturday, providing the guarantees on redundancies ect remain. I think we're the only European postal service that offers letters 6 days nowadays. Mondays call rate on letters now is probably 20 - 30%; it's virtually pointless taking them out. Let those that have floating rest days work Monday - Friday, and the 6 day SA contracts like mine cover the weekends. Everybody benefits; company saves a fortune in wages and staff get weekends off. That's what happened at our DO during the covid period.
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Seymour Buts
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But we're never gonna end cost cutting, are we? We're now a private company whose interests are profit, that ain't gonna change so try to negotiate change that negates the worst side of things. Mail has dropped and is in terminal decline, so make the the best of the current situation. A reduction in the six day letter service is coming, so negotiate the best way to move forward. I don't see how Saturday letters going means 18% of the workforce going.k979aaa wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:12If anyone on here thinks they will do monday to friday and that will be the end of the cost cutting think on. If alone they go rid of just Saturdays mail it would mean 1 in 6 jobs going 18% of the workforce! But it could be that you do a round every three days with tripple mail so half the staff triple the work.
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k979aaa
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How many days do we do in a week ie 6 on delivery and cutting it to 5 days means your flota cover or you will go. Sorry to say this but two days work will be the normality unless we put a stop to it!Seymour Buts wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:23But we're never gonna end cost cutting, are we? We're now a private company whose interests are profit, that ain't gonna change so try to negotiate change that negates the worst side of things. Mail has dropped and is in terminal decline, so make the the best of the current situation. A reduction in the six day letter service is coming, so negotiate the best way to move forward. I don't see how Saturday letters going means 18% of the workforce going.k979aaa wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:12If anyone on here thinks they will do monday to friday and that will be the end of the cost cutting think on. If alone they go rid of just Saturdays mail it would mean 1 in 6 jobs going 18% of the workforce! But it could be that you do a round every three days with tripple mail so half the staff triple the work.
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Our managers proposal solution last week was we clear one frame with mail, then do the packets on the other. Then someone pointed out "so we deliver 2 days of mail every day for half the duty". That was deemed success to the manager, they cracked the code. it's absolutely nutsk979aaa wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:29How many days do we do in a week ie 6 on delivery and cutting it to 5 days means your flota cover or you will go. Sorry to say this but two days work will be the normality unless we put a stop to it!Seymour Buts wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:23But we're never gonna end cost cutting, are we? We're now a private company whose interests are profit, that ain't gonna change so try to negotiate change that negates the worst side of things. Mail has dropped and is in terminal decline, so make the the best of the current situation. A reduction in the six day letter service is coming, so negotiate the best way to move forward. I don't see how Saturday letters going means 18% of the workforce going.k979aaa wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:12If anyone on here thinks they will do monday to friday and that will be the end of the cost cutting think on. If alone they go rid of just Saturdays mail it would mean 1 in 6 jobs going 18% of the workforce! But it could be that you do a round every three days with tripple mail so half the staff triple the work.
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k979aaa
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Try it at christmas with fools like that in charge you have no chance!dazzler123 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 21:02Our managers proposal solution last week was we clear one frame with mail, then do the packets on the other. Then someone pointed out "so we deliver 2 days of mail every day for half the duty". That was deemed success to the manager, they cracked the code. it's absolutely nutsk979aaa wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:29How many days do we do in a week ie 6 on delivery and cutting it to 5 days means your flota cover or you will go. Sorry to say this but two days work will be the normality unless we put a stop to it!Seymour Buts wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:23But we're never gonna end cost cutting, are we? We're now a private company whose interests are profit, that ain't gonna change so try to negotiate change that negates the worst side of things. Mail has dropped and is in terminal decline, so make the the best of the current situation. A reduction in the six day letter service is coming, so negotiate the best way to move forward. I don't see how Saturday letters going means 18% of the workforce going.k979aaa wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:12If anyone on here thinks they will do monday to friday and that will be the end of the cost cutting think on. If alone they go rid of just Saturdays mail it would mean 1 in 6 jobs going 18% of the workforce! But it could be that you do a round every three days with tripple mail so half the staff triple the work.
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Seymour Buts wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:23But we're never gonna end cost cutting, are we? We're now a private company whose interests are profit, that ain't gonna change so try to negotiate change that negates the worst side of things. Mail has dropped and is in terminal decline, so make the the best of the current situation. A reduction in the six day letter service is coming, so negotiate the best way to move forward. I don't see how Saturday letters going means 18% of the workforce going.k979aaa wrote: ↑10 Jun 2023, 18:12If anyone on here thinks they will do monday to friday and that will be the end of the cost cutting think on. If alone they go rid of just Saturdays mail it would mean 1 in 6 jobs going 18% of the workforce! But it could be that you do a round every three days with tripple mail so half the staff triple the work.
What we badly need is OfCom to really start holding Royal Mail to account with their deliberate USO failures. Ever since covid its been all too easy for the management of the company to blame delivery failures on staff absence when in reality it has been due to them making deliveries bigger, lapsing duties and not getting duties covered due to a lack of staff which in turn has led to more staff going on sick.
OfCom have suggested that a day off the USO could save Royal Mail £225 million, so that is roughly how much the company should be fined if they cannot meet any 5 day USO. And if the company says that it needs to make these changes because it is losing money - that is why they are cutting our sick pay! Get the f**ing managers out delivering like they used to and make them earn their money instead of having them bumming around in the office.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.