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CWU : Due to the anti-union laws, we have to renew our mandate in the Royal Mail Group dispute.

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Barnacle
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Re: CWU : Due to the anti-union laws, we have to renew our mandate in the Royal Mail Group dispute.

Post by Barnacle »

It’s a YES from me.

We go again, and again, for as long as it takes.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: CWU : Due to the anti-union laws, we have to renew our mandate in the Royal Mail Group dispute.

Post by Asmad »

I'll not be voting, but if did it would probably still be a yes.

I've finally had enough of Royal Mail, but also enough of the CWU. I have given my notice and I'm off to work in the real world again. Less £ per hour, but working 9 to 5 and earning more overall. So, maybe I'll get my life back with weekends and evenings to enjoy.

Royal Mail are already bringing in all the changes we're fighting to stop. Absorbing walks, parcel hubs, plans for owner drivers to deliver the parcels and all the while saying there will be no forced redundancies. It's all smoke and mirrors while they do what they want. Next will be the later starts, soon followed by the annualised hours. No doubt the no compulsory Sunday working will go the same was as the rest of the lies.

There are 8 walks being absorbed in our (pretty small) office. How can this not lead to forced redundancies?

6 postie's (inc. me) have quit since christmas. We've been lapsing every single day since before the strikes had begun. Failing your own walk to deliver someone else's, taking just the tracked out and for 2 or 3 walks at times. And the icing on the cake? No overtime to try to clear anything.

Rant over, but as a final thought, If/when they do remove the parcel deliveries from us and give them to self employed owner drivers, why do they need us to start 2 or 3 hours later Monday to Saturday or work at all on a Sunday?
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Re: CWU : Due to the anti-union laws, we have to renew our mandate in the Royal Mail Group dispute.

Post by pieoftheday »

Asmad wrote:
11 Jan 2023, 09:13
I'll not be voting, but if did it would probably still be a yes.

I've finally had enough of Royal Mail, but also enough of the CWU. I have given my notice and I'm off to work in the real world again. Less £ per hour, but working 9 to 5 and earning more overall. So, maybe I'll get my life back with weekends and evenings to enjoy.

Royal Mail are already bringing in all the changes we're fighting to stop. Absorbing walks, parcel hubs, plans for owner drivers to deliver the parcels and all the while saying there will be no forced redundancies. It's all smoke and mirrors while they do what they want. Next will be the later starts, soon followed by the annualised hours. No doubt the no compulsory Sunday working will go the same was as the rest of the lies.

There are 8 walks being absorbed in our (pretty small) office. How can this not lead to forced redundancies?

6 postie's (inc. me) have quit since christmas. We've been lapsing every single day since before the strikes had begun. Failing your own walk to deliver someone else's, taking just the tracked out and for 2 or 3 walks at times. And the icing on the cake? No overtime to try to clear anything.

Rant over, but as a final thought, If/when they do remove the parcel deliveries from us and give them to self employed owner drivers, why do they need us to start 2 or 3 hours later Monday to Saturday or work at all on a Sunday?
I think the trouble we have as postal workers is that we're trying to make sense of many of the changes that are happening and that are proposed, stupid revisions for example when we really dont know if theres actually a plan that RM have or senior management just dont know what they're doing. Yes I know some may say well its obvious RM are running down for this that or the other but we really dont know, do we?
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Re: CWU : Due to the anti-union laws, we have to renew our mandate in the Royal Mail Group dispute.

Post by chrisj »

6 have left and 8 walks to be absorbed - why would there be any sort of redundancy?

We have similar situation in my office... The crux of the matter is that walks will fail regularly - why is that your problem? They don't care and customers don't even notice...
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Re: CWU : Due to the anti-union laws, we have to renew our mandate in the Royal Mail Group dispute.

Post by Tman »

milly wrote:
10 Jan 2023, 11:28
Halfhappy wrote:
10 Jan 2023, 08:37
milly wrote:
10 Jan 2023, 07:47
When Labour win the next election I'm sure they will repeal any anti-union legislation.
Starmer has publicly said he will. He also publicly said a lot of other things, that he has then went and reneged on.
There's no chance the Starmer will change anything he's in the UniParty with the Tories.
The choice at the Ballot box is purely illusory.
Fair point. Starmer has even fewer ideas and proposals than the current bunch of losers, and that's saying something.
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Re: CWU : Due to the anti-union laws, we have to renew our mandate in the Royal Mail Group dispute.

Post by SpacePhoenix »

Asmad wrote:
11 Jan 2023, 09:13
Royal Mail are already bringing in all the changes we're fighting to stop. Absorbing walks, parcel hubs, plans for owner drivers to deliver the parcels and all the while saying there will be no forced redundancies. It's all smoke and mirrors while they do what they want. Next will be the later starts, soon followed by the annualised hours. No doubt the no compulsory Sunday working will go the same was as the rest of the lies.
I think the parcel hubs idea is being abandoned. Multiple people have posted that the large will be going back to the walks
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Re: CWU : Due to the anti-union laws, we have to renew our mandate in the Royal Mail Group dispute.

Post by clashcityrocker »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
11 Jan 2023, 10:44
I think the parcel hubs idea is being abandoned. Multiple people have posted that the large will be going back to the walks
That would mean the £1 billion pound investment in the super sorting machines has been wasted.
Not impossible as this is RM.
We are a hub. There has been no talk of parcels being returned to van share duties. (The COM is desperate to get rid of them. Simon visited and told him under no circumstances. This is the future)
The parcel drivers are full expecting the oversize parcels from neighbouring offices to appear soon.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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Re: CWU : Due to the anti-union laws, we have to renew our mandate in the Royal Mail Group dispute.

Post by Asmad »

If only Royal Mail could be trusted in their promises and not force through these changes without consultation while keeping us workers in the dark.

From 10,000 being made redundant to 0 all while still absorbing at least 10% of the walks. Postie's are realising that those with the least seniority are now going to be the ones out the door as those with decades under their belts just take your walk when theirs is absorbed.

10 years in an office and I'm still at the bottom of the totem pole. So when this game of musical chairs called a repick ends and there's one or two less chairs in the room, who's out the door or off to a new office probably miles away?
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Re: CWU : Due to the anti-union laws, we have to renew our mandate in the Royal Mail Group dispute.

Post by FilthyBloke »

Asmad wrote:
11 Jan 2023, 11:13
If only Royal Mail could be trusted in their promises and not force through these changes without consultation while keeping us workers in the dark.

From 10,000 being made redundant to 0 all while still absorbing at least 10% of the walks. Postie's are realising that those with the least seniority are now going to be the ones out the door as those with decades under their belts just take your walk when theirs is absorbed.

10 years in an office and I'm still at the bottom of the totem pole. So when this game of musical chairs called a repick ends and there's one or two less chairs in the room, who's out the door or off to a new office probably miles away?
I’m sure they won’t do that. Solidarity!