Negotiators agreement reached

[jessicarabbit]

Welcome back Woody!

We've missed your common sense since you've been away.

[heapsy]

I’m just glad I didn’t forfeit £2500 for load of waffle talk and a lost cause….

The union called 18 days of action.
One was cancelled.
That leaves 17 days.
You would have to be the unluckiest of unlucky guys in the world to catch all 17 days given annual leave and days off bearing in mind they were spread over 5 months.

The average would have been around 10-12.
The average full-time member would have lost around £1,000 on strike days, maybe as much as £1,500 if they had bad luck.

If they're honest.

I did. Every single day we were on strike.

[Acca Dacca]

24 minutes per day extra, plus 30 minute flexibility sounds crap.

Why are you going to be working 24 mins a day extra

Well we would be working 24 minutes extra per day in the winter months with the seasonal variation part of the agreement

[milly]

You really think by continuing to Strike you are going to come out ahead after you have lost yet more money, pension contributions and annual leave.
Royal Mail have hardly flinched during this dispute and yet you think we can get them to cave in.
Many people on here are totally deluded.

A precedent has been set now though, RM have won, they know the appetite for striking is weak. They can bulldoze through changes now as they wish.

What happens next time they want to impose changes, the union is going to turn around and threaten strikes? RM will just sit it out again waiting for them to cave.

It's a bad outcome, and the power of the union has been weakened.

On the contrary I think we put up a damn good fight and they know we will push back against them, however this dispute has run its course and people are weary and want an end to it.

[grchpo]

17 days doesn't add up to £2500, approximately £100 per day = £1700. Where's the other £800 lost?

[Acca Dacca]

You really think by continuing to Strike you are going to come out ahead after you have lost yet more money, pension contributions and annual leave.
Royal Mail have hardly flinched during this dispute and yet you think we can get them to cave in.
Many people on here are totally deluded.

A precedent has been set now though, RM have won, they know the appetite for striking is weak. They can bulldoze through changes now as they wish.

What happens next time they want to impose changes, the union is going to turn around and threaten strikes? RM will just sit it out again waiting for them to cave.

It's a bad outcome, and the power of the union has been weakened.

On the contrary I think we put up a damn good fight and they know we will push back against them, however this dispute has run its course and people are weary and want an end to it.

If it isnt a good deal on the table then I'd be worried there wont be the same appetite to fight next time when RM inevitably come calling for more change

Death by a thousand cuts

[Foxel]

I’m just glad I didn’t forfeit £2500 for load of waffle talk and a lost cause….

The union called 18 days of action.
One was cancelled.
That leaves 17 days.
You would have to be the unluckiest of unlucky guys in the world to catch all 17 days given annual leave and days off bearing in mind they were spread over 5 months.

The average would have been around 10-12.
The average full-time member would have lost around £1,000 on strike days, maybe as much as £1,500 if they had bad luck.

If they're honest.

And the days were split between roles.

[aiden01]

You really think by continuing to Strike you are going to come out ahead after you have lost yet more money, pension contributions and annual leave.
Royal Mail have hardly flinched during this dispute and yet you think we can get them to cave in.
Many people on here are totally deluded.

A precedent has been set now though, RM have won, they know the appetite for striking is weak. They can bulldoze through changes now as they wish.

What happens next time they want to impose changes, the union is going to turn around and threaten strikes? RM will just sit it out again waiting for them to cave.

It's a bad outcome, and the power of the union has been weakened.

On the contrary I think we put up a damn good fight and they know we will push back against them, however this dispute has run its course and people are weary and want an end to it.

If it isnt a good deal on the table then I'd be worried there wont be the same appetite to fight next time when RM inevitably come calling for more change

Death by a thousand cuts

The deal will be what rm put out during week with maybe a tweak or two so don't be expecting too much.

[Acca Dacca]

I’m just glad I didn’t forfeit £2500 for load of waffle talk and a lost cause….

The union called 18 days of action.
One was cancelled.
That leaves 17 days.
You would have to be the unluckiest of unlucky guys in the world to catch all 17 days given annual leave and days off bearing in mind they were spread over 5 months.

The average would have been around 10-12.
The average full-time member would have lost around £1,000 on strike days, maybe as much as £1,500 if they had bad luck.

If they're honest.

And the days were split between roles.

No they werent

[datasaint]

On the contrary I think we put up a damn good fight

We've not had a strike day since Christmas. They've imposed revisions mostly unchallenged. They served notice on all prior CWU agreements.

Where is the fight there?

this dispute has run its course and people are weary and want an end to it.

Yeah that's called giving up.

The RMT stood firm and won. So far the CWU have caved to BT, the Post Office and now RM it looks like.

[seaside]

Lost 7 days, missed the rest due to rest days and holidays, so under £700. If option B . Was voted in £1500. That would cover the lost of earnings I occurred. Would I turn down the deal, yes if it has not improved. Am I'm prepared to strike again if asked by our union, yes.

[Wolf91]

I think the pay deal has probably improved further since the last update.

If there is a bigger lump sum option then I'd be taking that, even if the smaller lump sum option is slightly better in terms of how much we get.

Larger sum = can invest, can pay off debts, go and have a well deserved holiday, or can just leave it in your bank and get around 3.4% or more in interest which may make up for any difference between the 2 options.

So you’re going to: “invest, pay off debts; go and have a ‘well deserved’ holiday,
with what will be something in the ballpark of <£1000 when all said and done?

I admire your optimism…

You don’t seem to be able look further than your own nose though

[parforthewalk]

For what it is worth, I'll be voting no along with the other minority.

The T&C's are the main issues for me, I'm not blinded by the lump sum carrot either!
Those that want to emulate Judas, then go ahead & take along with you all the anti union freeloading parasites.

When the COM eventually comes at me with his raised 'new deal beating stick' & that 'you all voted for it' phrase, I can politely inform him that actually 'No, I didn't'!

I'll be standing my ground & frustrating their bullying ways & tactics in anyway that I can!

[RTP]

Woody or someone else might answer this.

Do you think repicks will still go ahead nationally when these changes to start and finish times happen.?

The reason I'm asking is retraining for a new duty after repicks will cost RM a lot of money and considering the financial situation of the company repicks may not happen even though Major change as defined in the Way Forward Agreement does say about changes to the pipeline, although there is no mention of how much start and finish times need to change to trigger repicks. Below is the wording.


Major change is defined as:

The relocation or merger of units;
A significant process alteration arising from automated working or reshaping of the pipeline;
Delivery revisions, which involve significant re-plotting of walks or significant restructuring of attendance patterns (e.g. full-time/part-time mix, five-day weeks, ‘longs and shorts’ or ‘night plus a first delivery’, where they are agreed).

[seaside]

Would £450 be roughly the max most posties would take home , if so that would be £90 a day, x 17 days of strike would be £1530. That's if none of your rest days or holidays fell on strike days would that be correct or have I miscaulated