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Blaming Simon

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Re: Blaming Simon

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Ppat98 wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 21:22
If it was just Simon who wanted to change he would get overruled by others. Maybe a few in disagreement but the majority of higher up's must be in agreement with how he's doing thing's. Businesses don't just get run by 1 person alone.
He is the highest of the highest the Chairman Mr Keith Williams just over sees the business like the KING The CEO or Chief Executive Officer is the Prime minister of the Royal Mail like it or not. They do have shareholders but not one yet controls more than 1/4. If anyone is to blame it is him and him alone!
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Re: Blaming Simon

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So are you saying that the board of directors are in disagreement with Simon but Simon just doesn't care and keeps pushing his plan through? The board can out him if he goes against their interests. Many examples of this with other companies.
The example you gave of the prime minister. What happened to the previous prime minister when drank a few beers in lockdown? Outed by his peers. The group at large has more say than the front man who delivers the message.
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Re: Blaming Simon

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Probably the most famous example is of Steve Jobs being removed as CEO of apple because of the board being in disagreement with him & he was also Co founder. Wouldn't think it's possible to kick a founder out but it happened.
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Re: Blaming Simon

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So now this is about getting all the directors out as well good but not likely a football manager, prime minister, Dictator. YES but the whole board of directors no they will just chuck Simon under the bus and call it quits till another time peace in our time!
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Re: Blaming Simon

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k979aaa wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 22:10
So now this is about getting all the directors out as well good but not likely a football manager, prime minister, Dictator. YES but the whole board of directors no they will just chuck Simon under the bus and call it quits till another time peace in our time!
Huh, don't understand what you're saying :d'oh! You previously said the buck stops with Simon & only Simon. Are you now saying the board must be involved too?
& I didn't say remove all of the board your changing topic lol
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Re: Blaming Simon

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i believe its the board of directors that set the agenda along with the top guys (ceo, coo, cfo etc)Simon like Rico implement it.

Just like our delightful COMs implement what their higher up's want. Our COM sometimes open up and cries about what hes tasked to do. Sometimes we can squeezed for a little more blood....other times we tell him to tell his boss we said feck off.
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Re: Blaming Simon

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When Alan Leighton was CEO, he tried to claim we were losing £1m a day to try to push through a pay freeze
Moyà Greene tried to cut sick pay by threatening no pay for the first 3 days of absence. Narrowly avoided strike action by agreeing the Agenda for Growth deal, knowing she was leaving anyway.
Rico Back tried to pick a fight with the union, and ended up stepping down to appease major shareholders.
Simon Thompson is trying to cut sick pay & is trying to force things through by executive action.
Three CEOs all adopting similar tactics?
It HAS to be major shareholders agitating behind the scenes to break the union!!
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Re: Blaming Simon

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Exactly, we can fight hard against it & hopefully slow down their proposed changes but they will eventually get them all through. This company will be completely different in 15 years unless the government buy's it back. Start learning a skill in something is the best bet so we can have something to fall back on.
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Re: Blaming Simon

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Why do people keep calling Thompson by his Christian name, like he's some mate who's gone a bit astray?

That man has zero respect for each and everyone of us below director level.

He deserves the same in return.
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Re: Blaming Simon

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You over thought that 1. I call him Simon out of convenience. Do you think calling him by his last name shows massive disrespect or something. You rebel you 😅
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Re: Blaming Simon

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pieoftheday wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 20:10
Its very easy for us all to blame ST for the s**t RM is in but who's really pulling the strings? He's just a mouth piece, someone prepared to put his face to the crap RM spout for a big pay day?
Its also got to be the Chairman and the rest of the board . One man couldn't do this amount of destruction without support .
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Re: Blaming Simon

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walthmstowman wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 11:22
pieoftheday wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 20:10
Its very easy for us all to blame ST for the s**t RM is in but who's really pulling the strings? He's just a mouth piece, someone prepared to put his face to the crap RM spout for a big pay day?
Its also got to be the Chairman and the rest of the board . One man couldn't do this amount of destruction without support .
Well it comes down to this it is us or them whoever they are but he is the ringleader.
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Re: Blaming Simon

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k979aaa wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 23:15
walthmstowman wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 11:22
pieoftheday wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 20:10
Its very easy for us all to blame ST for the s**t RM is in but who's really pulling the strings? He's just a mouth piece, someone prepared to put his face to the crap RM spout for a big pay day?
Its also got to be the Chairman and the rest of the board . One man couldn't do this amount of destruction without support .
Well it comes down to this it is us or them whoever they are but he is the ringleader.
Well yes he's the ringleader/mouth piece but is he making ths decisions? If he goes ,which I'd like to see, do RM just install SimonThomson mk2 who will do as our current CEO but maybe in a different style?
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Re: Blaming Simon

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pieoftheday wrote:
16 Oct 2022, 14:36
k979aaa wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 23:15
walthmstowman wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 11:22
pieoftheday wrote:
13 Oct 2022, 20:10
Its very easy for us all to blame ST for the s**t RM is in but who's really pulling the strings? He's just a mouth piece, someone prepared to put his face to the crap RM spout for a big pay day?
Its also got to be the Chairman and the rest of the board . One man couldn't do this amount of destruction without support .
Well it comes down to this it is us or them whoever they are but he is the ringleader.
Well yes he's the ringleader/mouth piece but is he making ths decisions? If he goes ,which I'd like to see, do RM just install SimonThomson mk2 who will do as our current CEO but maybe in a different style?
Even Liz Truss cannot do as worse job as ST failing that we could buy a lettuce that could do both jobs at the sametime!
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Re: Blaming Simon

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DirtyHarry wrote:
14 Oct 2022, 06:26
Why do people keep calling Thompson by his Christian name, like he's some mate who's gone a bit astray?

That man has zero respect for each and everyone of us below director level.

He deserves the same in return.
Yes just call him STAIN. We all know what kind of stain. :thumbup