When someone is sent home ‘4 hours early’ of their contracted hours and the manager makes it all okay with SISO because he wants to reward a favourite or something or other, that can also be described as fraudulent.
No, fraudulent is where something is done with an intention to deceive, eg, perhaps telling me to leave early but not to clock out so the paperwork doesn’t show a discrepancy. That isn’t what occurred. I clocked out when leaving early. The manager was well within the bounds of his managerial discretion and delegated decision-making authority to allow me to go early — it happens every day when people feign toothache, gut ache, hangover, etc, and then leave work early and still get paid in full. The manager was perfectly entitled to allow me to leave early as a one-off/rare occurrence by way of a reward for being so helpful during the summer leave period. It is called incentivising your staff. Good managers like our DOM know how to use a bit of carrot and stick.
The manager allowed you to ghost four hours.
He did no such thing. You’re just jealous anyway
That’s exactly what he did. That’s not something he should be doing, especially if you are as I suspect, a female employee.
Be wary of owing favours to male managers.
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When someone is sent home ‘4 hours early’ of their contracted hours and the manager makes it all okay with SISO because he wants to reward a favourite or something or other, that can also be described as fraudulent.
No, fraudulent is where something is done with an intention to deceive, eg, perhaps telling me to leave early but not to clock out so the paperwork doesn’t show a discrepancy. That isn’t what occurred. I clocked out when leaving early. The manager was well within the bounds of his managerial discretion and delegated decision-making authority to allow me to go early — it happens every day when people feign toothache, gut ache, hangover, etc, and then leave work early and still get paid in full. The manager was perfectly entitled to allow me to leave early as a one-off/rare occurrence by way of a reward for being so helpful during the summer leave period. It is called incentivising your staff. Good managers like our DOM know how to use a bit of carrot and stick.
The manager allowed you to ghost four hours.
He did no such thing. You’re just jealous anyway
That’s exactly what he did. That’s not something he should be doing, especially if you are as I suspect, a female employee.
Be wary of owing favours to male managers.
Ah, let’s just say I’m definitely not his - or any male manager’s - type! There is no danger of anything like that.
When someone is sent home ‘4 hours early’ of their contracted hours and the manager makes it all okay with SISO because he wants to reward a favourite or something or other, that can also be described as fraudulent.
No, fraudulent is where something is done with an intention to deceive, eg, perhaps telling me to leave early but not to clock out so the paperwork doesn’t show a discrepancy. That isn’t what occurred. I clocked out when leaving early. The manager was well within the bounds of his managerial discretion and delegated decision-making authority to allow me to go early — it happens every day when people feign toothache, gut ache, hangover, etc, and then leave work early and still get paid in full. The manager was perfectly entitled to allow me to leave early as a one-off/rare occurrence by way of a reward for being so helpful during the summer leave period. It is called incentivising your staff. Good managers like our DOM know how to use a bit of carrot and stick.
I doubt a COM or DOM is delegated such authority, possibly an Area Manager could sanction it as a one off award but not a regular occurance. I sense if one postie in our DO was allowed to leave even an hour early one day there would be an uproar with every one demanding time off.
More to the point, if someone was somehow caught out and questions were being asked, does anyone really believe the DOM, COM whoever is going to hold his/her hand up and say that they gave permission to go early?
There should be leeway to allow staff to leave early during normal time, but that doesn't apply to O/T.
We all use the PDAs so there's the proof. So when you forget to clock out they won't automatically dock your pay - what will happen is that management will bring it to your intention and may go through the disciplinary process of the 3 Cs first.
"First" being the operative word here. Keep on doing it for whatever reason, and what's the ultimate sanction? Oh yeah, losing pay.
RM expect some sort of return either in efficiency or time-keeping on their huge SISO investment.
The ultimate sanction having brought the conduct code first is losing your job.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
RM expect some sort of return either in efficiency or time-keeping on their huge SISO investment.
You mean 'huge investment' tongue-in-cheek, right? It's just another screen on the PDA riding off a bunch of pre-existing hardware and software. The largest expense was the metal used to bolt them to the sign-in desks.
In what world, other than RM, would anyone consider it "right" to expect O/T payments for time when they weren't working?
If they go down the route of paying overtime by actual time taken rather than load/distance, the fastest staff will be penalised. How is that right?
They don't. As ever, the work expands to fill the allotted time.
RM are effectively paying for your time at so many hours per week. Cut those hours short and you still expect to get the same pay?
You've never worked in the Real World, I take it?
They could offer a piece rate rather than pay for the time taken.
When someone is sent home ‘4 hours early’ of their contracted hours and the manager makes it all okay with SISO because he wants to reward a favourite or something or other, that can also be described as fraudulent.
When someone is sent home ‘4 hours early’ of their contracted hours and the manager makes it all okay with SISO because he wants to reward a favourite or something or other, that can also be described as fraudulent.
I wonder if eventually local management will get the ability to make any edits to the SISO taken away from them and the payroll will eventually go literally on the SISO data
Guaranteed. Take out another level of human input, and the whole process becomes simpler/cheaper, plus it also cuts out the risks of fiddling.
If I sign out at 16:30 instead of 16:00 when I got back to the DO, then how would the system know I'd only done 1 hrs OT rather than the 1 hrs 30 mins I was claiming to have done? If we all worked fixed hours I could see the whole process could be done without any input from managers but somebody needs to approve the OT being regularly claimed?
You can just see Horizon type issues, where SISO says you didn't scan in or scan out so you're not being paid for a days work even though you know you did use SISO that day as all the post/packets were delivered on your duty!!
When someone is sent home ‘4 hours early’ of their contracted hours and the manager makes it all okay with SISO because he wants to reward a favourite or something or other, that can also be described as fraudulent.
Fraud? Stupid! For something to be fraudulent there needs to be a false representation. There was no false representation here — I signed in and out contemporaneous with entering and leaving the depot. Furthermore, there was no intention to deceive. Those are the legal ingredients of “fraudulent”. As I said before, just jealousy!
When someone is sent home ‘4 hours early’ of their contracted hours and the manager makes it all okay with SISO because he wants to reward a favourite or something or other, that can also be described as fraudulent.
Fraud? Stupid! For something to be fraudulent there needs to be a false representation. There was no false representation here — I signed in and out contemporaneous with entering and leaving the depot. Furthermore, there was no intention to deceive. Those are the legal ingredients of “fraudulent”. As I said before, just jealousy!
Yes. It was fraud.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
