If the agreement ballot comes back as a NO

[LouBarlow]

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Come on Lou. The CWU have shown themselves up time and again. From a no strings pay rise ballot to this deal on the table. They have messed up on ballots and even the last strike that they called off this year due to the technicality was just plain embarrassing. The CWUs business plan presented to Royal Mail before Xmas was laughable.

We are supposed to be stronger by being in a union but the fact that the leadership don't even have a plan B is exactly the reason why they get outmanoeuvred at every turn by Royal Mail.

I’m not defending the union though. I am saying that the deal presented is clearly the best they could manage. Not having a plan B sounds like the perfect time to vote for plan A as it is either that or, well what? Nobody seems to offer an explanation as to what they hope to achieve with a no vote.

A no vote will just mean they implement the deal regardless and the union will be completely smashed to pieces if the leaving threats are true.

Exactly. Which is why I ask the No voters what they hope to achieve. I can understand people voting yes. I can’t with the No voters.

It seems I’m coming across liking the deal and defending the union but I’m really not.

I’m seeing thing’s realistically as soon as the company got very aggressive we knew we were facing heavy concessions. The problem was the union promised much and have delivered little and now the huge support and losses of wages have achieved barely anything.

I’m still undecided how to vote I may just end up abstaining it’s not a good deal but it’s probably the best we are going to get.

Just look at what the NHS unions have accepted and now they are imposing that pay rise on the nurses who are still striking and that’s exactly what Royal Mail will do to it.

It really seems Royal Mail’s divide and conquer strategy has paid off.

We are pretty much on the same page, except I am voting yes. Reluctantly but it has been a yes for me since the deal was announced as I literally see it as the best of two bad options.

[guardianangel]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Im still voting NO !!! i couldn't possibly vote on a deal that tears up our hard fought T's and C's ,sick,IHR,seasonal hours is definitely red lines ,once they start they will chip away year after year.

[LouBarlow]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Im still voting NO !!! i couldn't possibly vote on a deal that tears up our hard fought T's and C's ,sick,IHR,seasonal hours is definitely red lines ,once they start they will chip away year after year.

What do you think a no vote will get you? All of those changes will come in anyway without an agreement and then some. No union involvement either.

[Burghboy]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Im still voting NO !!! i couldn't possibly vote on a deal that tears up our hard fought T's and C's ,sick,IHR,seasonal hours is definitely red lines ,once they start they will chip away year after year.

What do you think a no vote will get you? All of those changes will come in anyway without an agreement and then some. No union involvement either.

You don’t know that and are speculating…

[freespeech]

What do you think a no vote will get you? All of those changes will come in anyway without an agreement and then some. No union involvement either.
[/quote]

You don’t know that and are speculating…
[/quote]

RM and the CWU have collective bargaining. The CWU NEC have already endorsed the deal. RM do not need the CWU membership to endorse it, that is just internal CWU Politics. The unknown will be whether RM proceed on the basis of a yes vote or not.

[guardianangel]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Im still voting NO !!! i couldn't possibly vote on a deal that tears up our hard fought T's and C's ,sick,IHR,seasonal hours is definitely red lines ,once they start they will chip away year after year.

What do you think a no vote will get you? All of those changes will come in anyway without an agreement and then some. No union involvement either.

You don’t know that and are speculating…

Well said ,people on hear are listening to much to what Royal Mail and the CWU say,no one knows whats going to happen, if you don't fight and take a chance we will nev er know what is possible,and if as people say they will bring it in anyway we have nothing to lose.

[LouBarlow]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Im still voting NO !!! i couldn't possibly vote on a deal that tears up our hard fought T's and C's ,sick,IHR,seasonal hours is definitely red lines ,once they start they will chip away year after year.

What do you think a no vote will get you? All of those changes will come in anyway without an agreement and then some. No union involvement either.

You don’t know that and are speculating…

It isn’t speculating. If the deal isn’t accepted, then there is no agreement and RM can plough on regardless. All previous agreements were torn up when we took strike action, which is why all this executive action has been rammed through. Without a deal we will have all these changes brought in and worse as they will not be tied to any agreement. Voting no isn’t ‘having a go’ it is literally going to make your working life even worse, even if you have a job at the end of it.

[77SAMPOST77]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Im still voting NO !!! i couldn't possibly vote on a deal that tears up our hard fought T's and C's ,sick,IHR,seasonal hours is definitely red lines ,once they start they will chip away year after year.

What do you think a no vote will get you? All of those changes will come in anyway without an agreement and then some. No union involvement either.

You don’t know that and are speculating…

It isn’t speculating. If the deal isn’t accepted, then there is no agreement and RM can plough on regardless. All previous agreements were torn up when we took strike action, which is why all this executive action has been rammed through. Without a deal we will have all these changes brought in and worse as they will not be tied to any agreement. Voting no isn’t ‘having a go’ it is literally going to make your working life even worse, even if you have a job at the end of it.

You do not know whats going to happen , so are are speculating yourself .

sick of all the gloom merchants who think voting no is the end of the world .

[Chitchat]

RM and the CWU have collective bargaining. The CWU NEC have already endorsed the deal. RM do not need the CWU membership to endorse it, that is just internal CWU Politics. The unknown will be whether RM proceed on the basis of a yes vote or not.
[/quote]

If this is true? We may as well all vote no then! If the deal is going in regardless of this so called "internal CWU politics" at least we can let the people at the top know exactly where the workforce stand!

[LouBarlow]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Im still voting NO !!! i couldn't possibly vote on a deal that tears up our hard fought T's and C's ,sick,IHR,seasonal hours is definitely red lines ,once they start they will chip away year after year.

What do you think a no vote will get you? All of those changes will come in anyway without an agreement and then some. No union involvement either.

You don’t know that and are speculating…

It isn’t speculating. If the deal isn’t accepted, then there is no agreement and RM can plough on regardless. All previous agreements were torn up when we took strike action, which is why all this executive action has been rammed through. Without a deal we will have all these changes brought in and worse as they will not be tied to any agreement. Voting no isn’t ‘having a go’ it is literally going to make your working life even worse, even if you have a job at the end of it.

You do not know whats going to happen , so are are speculating yourself .

sick of all the gloom merchants who think voting no is the end of the world .

I know that if the deal isn’t agreed by the members, there is no agreement. It isn’t complicated. It is how voting on something works. And no, it won’t be the end of the world, but you will be turning down a pay rise and will give RM full power to bring in any changes they want. I’m sorry the truth is gloomy.

[SpacePhoenix]

and will give RM full power to bring in any changes they want.

My gut feeling is that they're going to bring in whatever changes they want by EA anyway whether we vote yes or no

[postslippete]

and will give RM full power to bring in any changes they want.

My gut feeling is that they're going to bring in whatever changes they want by EA anyway whether we vote yes or no

That's quite true. Accepting the deal does not guarantee that Royal Mail won’t be broken up and sold off to rivals.

Thankfully we will have a two-tier workforce on worse conditions that we will be working alongside so that the bosses will use to undercut us. Its actually a giant step towards the gig economy.

[ted_e_bear]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Im still voting NO !!! i couldn't possibly vote on a deal that tears up our hard fought T's and C's ,sick,IHR,seasonal hours is definitely red lines ,once they start they will chip away year after year.

What do you think a no vote will get you? All of those changes will come in anyway without an agreement and then some. No union involvement either.

You don’t know that and are speculating…

It isn’t speculating. If the deal isn’t accepted, then there is no agreement and RM can plough on regardless. All previous agreements were torn up when we took strike action, which is why all this executive action has been rammed through. Without a deal we will have all these changes brought in and worse as they will not be tied to any agreement. Voting no isn’t ‘having a go’ it is literally going to make your working life even worse, even if you have a job at the end of it.

You do not know whats going to happen , so are are speculating yourself .

sick of all the gloom merchants who think voting no is the end of the world .

I know that if the deal isn’t agreed by the members, there is no agreement. It isn’t complicated. It is how voting on something works. And no, it won’t be the end of the world, but you will be turning down a pay rise and will give RM full power to bring in any changes they want. I’m sorry the truth is gloomy.

If this is a competition to quote the longest thread possible and add nothing here's my entry.

[postslippete]

We carry on striking,shares will plummet,they can impose whatever they like but with strikes on going the pressure will always be on them ,i really dont understand some of the defeatist attitude on here,i'll be voting NO !!! but if for some unbelievable reason there is a yes vote i'll be leaving the union or what really is the point of being a member,they cant stop you from being sacked we have seen that and if they lose you t's and c's and get you a pay cut whats the point of paying for something you are not getting,its like paying for an insurance that never pays out.All those years fighting for benefits for it to be given away so cheaply.

There will be no strikes. The union have settled on this deal for a reason. There is no more to be squeezed out of the company right now plus there is next to no appetite to lose more money on this dispute, barring from some extremists on here, who imagine that a 15% back-dated pay-rise and a return to 12 o’clock finishes is a possibility.

I dont know what white flag office you work in but over 100 posties in mine are voting NO !!! i think you might have a surprise.

I didn’t say I would be surprised if it is a no. I said there will be no more strikes. If this deal is voted out we will continue with change being brought in without union involvement all the while continuing on the same stagnant wage we have now. If there is no agreement RM can bring in all the changes they want and we will have no leverage left.

Striking is our leverage,a company will never move forward while its workforce are striking,i might be wrong but at the moment the Tories haven't made it illegal,RM can carry on in their own direction but it will end up costing them a fortune.

If there were more concessions to be made, or more left on the table for us, why do you honestly think the union agreed to the deal put before us, rather than call strike action?

To save their own skin after royal mail were threatening to defund them and move them out of the workplace,in simple terms self preservation,they bottled it and now they expect us to pay ,well i won't except it and will vote NO !!!!

Given how many people seem to be unhappy with the deal, and claiming they are leaving the union (which I highly doubt) it doesn’t seem likely to save their skin by endorsing the deal. Maybe the facts are that the deal being offered is actually the best option, considering the alternative is….well what is the alternative? Nobody is going to strike when there is nothing to gain. The union are more in tune with the company finances than we are.

Im still voting NO !!! i couldn't possibly vote on a deal that tears up our hard fought T's and C's ,sick,IHR,seasonal hours is definitely red lines ,once they start they will chip away year after year.

What do you think a no vote will get you? All of those changes will come in anyway without an agreement and then some. No union involvement either.

You don’t know that and are speculating…

It isn’t speculating. If the deal isn’t accepted, then there is no agreement and RM can plough on regardless. All previous agreements were torn up when we took strike action, which is why all this executive action has been rammed through. Without a deal we will have all these changes brought in and worse as they will not be tied to any agreement. Voting no isn’t ‘having a go’ it is literally going to make your working life even worse, even if you have a job at the end of it.

You do not know whats going to happen , so are are speculating yourself .

sick of all the gloom merchants who think voting no is the end of the world .

I know that if the deal isn’t agreed by the members, there is no agreement. It isn’t complicated. It is how voting on something works. And no, it won’t be the end of the world, but you will be turning down a pay rise and will give RM full power to bring in any changes they want. I’m sorry the truth is gloomy.

If this is a competition to quote the longest thread possible and add nothing here's my entry.