strikes

[yaba]

first of all, don't get me wrong, in principle i'm with you, even though I don't agree with most of your points and reasons. your strongest point is starting times, you do have a right to know what hours you should be working well in advance, like a month at least. i know that i'll probably get flamed for this but the rest is twoddle really.


legal strikes, fair enough, they're legal and democratic at least, but illegal strikes, that is really taking the law into your own hands, and in my opinion far worse than strike breakers. by the logic of what seems to be the senior members here, those striking illegally should be sacked or at least kicked out of the union. i know your reasons for striking illegally are quite valid, but you should follow procedure.

[evilc]

first of all, don't get me wrong, in principle i'm with you, even though I don't agree with most of your points and reasons. your strongest point is starting times, you do have a right to know what hours you should be working well in advance, like a month at least. i know that i'll probably get flamed for this but the rest is twoddle really.


legal strikes, fair enough, they're legal and democratic at least, but illegal strikes, that is really taking the law into your own hands, and in my opinion far worse than strike breakers. by the logic of what seems to be the senior members here, those striking illegally should be sacked or at least kicked out of the union. i know your reasons for striking illegally are quite valid, but you should follow procedure.

I accept your points about illegal strikes, sometimes you have to take such action, for example if there were not illegal protests do you think the polltax would of been scrapped? as for been given a month to change start times that would still leave you with the problem of child care, second job etc.

[yaba]

I accept your points about illegal strikes, sometimes you have to take such action, for example if there were not illegal protests do you think the polltax would of been scrapped? as for been given a month to change start times that would still leave you with the problem of child care, second job etc.

It's the same for the rest of us though, most companies, all of the 3 I have worked for in the past 10 years at least, build this into their contracts. Maybe 3 months then? Flexibility is required, or do you not agree?

I agree that RM should be a public service, but I question whether this entitles you to rights that other workers working for private companies have, we're all workers at the end of the day and most of us work as hard as each other.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I accept your points about illegal strikes, sometimes you have to take such action, for example if there were not illegal protests do you think the polltax would of been scrapped? as for been given a month to change start times that would still leave you with the problem of child care, second job etc.

It's the same for the rest of us though, most companies, all of the 3 I have worked for in the past 10 years at least, build this into their contracts. Maybe 3 months then? Flexibility is required, or do you not agree?

I agree that RM should be a public service, but I question whether this entitles you to rights that other workers working for private companies have, we're all workers at the end of the day and most of us work as hard as each other.

Then they should have the bottle to join a union and raise their standards. The workers create all the wealth in any society. The workers should run all industry.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I accept your points about illegal strikes, sometimes you have to take such action, for example if there were not illegal protests do you think the polltax would of been scrapped? as for been given a month to change start times that would still leave you with the problem of child care, second job etc.

It's the same for the rest of us though, most companies, all of the 3 I have worked for in the past 10 years at least, build this into their contracts. Maybe 3 months then? Flexibility is required, or do you not agree?

I agree that RM should be a public service, but I question whether this entitles you to rights that other workers working for private companies have, we're all workers at the end of the day and most of us work as hard as each other.

My take on it is as workers you are entitled to that rights and benefits that you believe the loss of would make you willing to stand up and be counted in the protection of them. If you don't defend them they you have tacitly agreed to their withdrawal or imposition as applicable.

[evilc]

[quote]It's the same for the rest of us though, most companies, all of the 3 I have worked for in the past 10 years at least, build this into their contracts. Maybe 3 months then? Flexibility is required, or do you not agree?


There is flexibility and taking the piss flexibility,sounds like you had 3 jobs with the latter, I also agree with IWW if the staff were that fed up there was nothing stopping them contacting a union to represent them.

woohoo this is my 900th post.

[yaba]

Then they should have the bottle to join a union and raise their standards. The workers create all the wealth in any society. The workers should run all industry.

Workers are no more important than (effective and decent) managers. Suggesting one is important over the other contradicts your opinion on Capitalism and to some extent the statement in your signature.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

Then they should have the bottle to join a union and raise their standards. The workers create all the wealth in any society. The workers should run all industry.

Workers are no more important than (effective and decent) managers. Suggesting one is important over the other contradicts your opinion on Capitalism and to some extent the statement in your signature.

Managers need workers, workers don't need managers. I've been around a fair bit, and the next effective manager I meet will be the first. They're all a shower of crap, but I exclude Royal Mail managers from that statement on the grounds that they're just overpaid office boys incapable of managing anything more than finding nothing useful to do all day.

[yaba]

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My take on it is as workers you are entitled to that rights and benefits that you believe the loss of would make you willing to stand up and be counted in the protection of them. If you don't defend them they you have tactically agreed to their withdrawal or imposition as applicable.

Of course you are yes I agree, but my point was those that disobeyed your union by striking illegally should be treated in the same way as those that went into work on the official strike days, if it's all about democracy. Anything else is contradictory.

[L Tommo]

Yaba... Some stand up for what they believe is RIGHT AND A RIGHT OF ALL PEOPLES... Some just throw this right away when they scab and dont back a majority when in a Union of peoples fighting for better work conditions and treatment and a solid pay structure,,, This isnt what we have now.... We have a service that is being desroyed by RM and there bullyboys n girls....


The propaganda is king with them and there games.... Yes in the union there is Militants who want different policys and rules and working practises... But even they want what is better for all in an equel workplace....

The governers dont want it equal at all.... BONUSES for a start.... GO look at the amount Adam Crozier got just for joining RM......


U will be shocked... Just for singing his name on a contract........


NO WORK DONE!!!


If the workers got this type of bonus the world and his dog would be up in arms.....


OUT

[TrueBlueTerrier]

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My take on it is as workers you are entitled to that rights and benefits that you believe the loss of would make you willing to stand up and be counted in the protection of them. If you don't defend them they you have tactically agreed to their withdrawal or imposition as applicable.

Of course you are yes I agree, but my point was those that disobeyed your union by striking illegally should be treated in the same way as those that went into work on the official strike days, if it's all about democracy. Anything else is contradictory.

Having been involved in a near wild cat walk out 3 years ago, the workers take a ballot there and then by a show of hands. So although they have gone against the Union nationally, locally they have the support of the work force. Democracy is therefore still observed just at a more local level.

[yaba]

Managers need workers, workers don't need managers. I've been around a fair bit, and the next effective manager I meet will be the first. They're all a shower of crap, but I exclude Royal Mail managers from that statement on the grounds that they're just overpaid office boys incapable of managing anything more than finding nothing useful to do all day.

You're entitled to that opinion, but it's certainly not fact. At best it's an observation of the people you have encountered. I can only comment outside of royal mail, but I'm convinced there are still the 3 groups of people us non postal workers see still exist within all ranks of royal mail.

[mailjock]

I have always felt that people have a moral right to decide to cross a picket line whether they are a union member or not.

However, if they are union members and took part in a democratic ballot on whether to strike or not then they should morally accept the result of that ballot.

However as we all know 99 per cent of strike breakers are just selfish b*st*rds and were hoping that it would be a no-strike result so that they could hide their true feelings. However, they should be out the union for their conduct, cowardice and greed.

Poos souls - now we know who they are and they know what they are.

[yaba]

Yaba... Some stand up for what they believe is RIGHT AND A RIGHT OF ALL PEOPLES... Some just throw this right away when they scab and dont back a majority when in a Union of peoples fighting for better work conditions and treatment and a solid pay structure,,, This isnt what we have now.... We have a service that is being desroyed by RM and there bullyboys n girls....


The propaganda is king with them and there games.... Yes in the union there is Militants who want different policys and rules and working practises... But even they want what is better for all in an equel workplace....

The governers dont want it equal at all.... BONUSES for a start.... GO look at the amount Adam Crozier got just for joining RM......


U will be shocked... Just for singing his name on a contract........


NO WORK DONE!!!


If the workers got this type of bonus the world and his dog would be up in arms.....


OUT

I know I know, I'm not disputing that, what I'm trying to say is that how far do you take the striking action? If you all went on strike illegally for the whole of next week, what would the outcome be?

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I know I know, I'm not disputing that, what I'm trying to say is that how far do you take the striking action? If you all went on strike illegally for the whole of next week, what would the outcome be?

Are you MI5 or Special Branch?