Other people's livlihoods are at stake too

[IWW Fellow Worker]

Also, they want to drastically cut our working conditions. It doesn't help, that the Media is obsessed with the proposed increase in wages, and portraying us all as Luddites.

I'm very proud to be associated with the Luddites. Anyone who knew anything about them and what they stood for would be too.

[p379]

Valid points all, however it's stalemate at the moment with everyone losing. How long will it continue?

I frequent another message board and reports are coming in that lots of Royal Mail workers have called in sick today. The local delivery office manager came to collect the mail today as he had no other staff to send.
It can't be a coincidence.

All hear say wouldnt be one of those message boards set up by leighton by any chance would it to try and discredit the CWU and its membership its one thing saying it wheres your evidence
Keep up the fight

[Trends Guild]

I am also losing wages this week. But I won't be able to do overtime to claw my lost money back.
My pension will be affected too as I can't afford the contributions.
My customers are upset. My suppliers are upset. And for what? What will this striking achieve?

If I have a problem with my pay / conditions etc of course I complain BUT my complaining doesn't harm other people's livlihoods, thier ability to put food on the table, jepordise anyone's future returement plans or even inconvenience anybody.

Don't the CWU get it at all? Royal Mail are not suffering becuase of the strikes. The people who use Royal Mail services are suffering becuase of the strikes.

I take it you are a small business?

There is a lot you can do,you have a union called the federation for small business so you can lobby them to take action in the form of witholding taxes,

ROFL...you do realise the penalty for that don't you? A lot higher than you get for witholding our mail service...

protest marches to Westminster like we are doing,you could drive your white vans down to whitehall and block it up!!! I don't think it is right the way councils treat small business.

We are being s**t on by the Government and Big business the same way as you are and we need to join forces and fight for the small man or there will be rule by the Global Elite and we will not stand a chance.

So I am sorry to all the customers who are being affected but we have no choice but to do this as to choose not to take action will ruin us and the postal service you rely on for life.

It is because the union has defended postal services that you still have a cheap reliable service at all.If you go to other countries they have a more expensive and worse service.

We would be willing to pay more for the service- nobody asked us.

[Opti]

I run a small business which delivers nationally.

I don't have a massive number of customers and all my customers have the option of using other companies which are local to them, and can deliver.

When I can get my product to them next day this isn't an issue.

One day strikes were one thing, but the more recent longer strikes are forcing my customers to use alternatives, and if these strikes go on then I will be knackered, so it is impossible for me to sympathise.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I run a small business which delivers nationally.

I don't have a massive number of customers and all my customers have the option of using other companies which are local to them, and can deliver.

When I can get my product to them next day this isn't an issue.

One day strikes were one thing, but the more recent longer strikes are forcing my customers to use alternatives, and if these strikes go on then I will be knackered, so it is impossible for me to sympathise.

I can only reciprocate that sentiment.

[Opti]

I run a small business which delivers nationally.

I don't have a massive number of customers and all my customers have the option of using other companies which are local to them, and can deliver.

When I can get my product to them next day this isn't an issue.

One day strikes were one thing, but the more recent longer strikes are forcing my customers to use alternatives, and if these strikes go on then I will be knackered, so it is impossible for me to sympathise.

I can only reciprocate that sentiment.

Well that's very noble of you.

Your gripe is with your management and that is your problem. However I have a business that relies on the postal service and at this rate I am likely to be well f*cked. Your gripe isn't with me but I am suffering, I am merely a hostage.

There must be a better way.

As it happens I am in the process of setting up an account with Hays DX for deliveries, planning to do my bill payments by BACS and encouraging customers to do the same.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I run a small business which delivers nationally.

I don't have a massive number of customers and all my customers have the option of using other companies which are local to them, and can deliver.

When I can get my product to them next day this isn't an issue.

One day strikes were one thing, but the more recent longer strikes are forcing my customers to use alternatives, and if these strikes go on then I will be knackered, so it is impossible for me to sympathise.

I can only reciprocate that sentiment.

Well that's very noble of you.

Your gripe is with your management and that is your problem. However I have a business that relies on the postal service and at this rate I am likely to be well f*cked. Your gripe isn't with me but I am suffering, I am merely a hostage.

There must be a better way.

As it happens I am in the process of setting up an account with Hays DX for deliveries, planning to do my bill payments by BACS and encouraging customers to do the same.

Then why don't you find a management site and whinge on that?

[Crackerjackpencil]

So when your first choice "the royal mail" has gone to the wall. Pushed into oblivion by the two doinkeys at the top and you're left forking out "X" number of quid extra for next day delivery, who will you be complaing to then? We're not striking to spite you, we're strking to let you have a choice, if this governemnt and the muppets running the business down get their way you won't have that choice....It won't just be us looking for other work it'll be you along side us....Think on mate.

[Spedley]

We could just complain but that would get us as far as it is getting you.

I'm sorry for your troubles but we aren't losing wages for nothing. It's not a game and we would all rather be at work. It is NOT our choice.

[Opti]

We could just complain but that would get us as far as it is getting you.

I'm sorry for your troubles but we aren't losing wages for nothing. It's not a game and we would all rather be at work. It is NOT our choice.

Well I hope you get your own way then.

Unless that means you knock off when you are finished with a round but expect to get paid for a full shift, pull 25k pa and refuse to be at all flexible.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

We could just complain but that would get us as far as it is getting you.

I'm sorry for your troubles but we aren't losing wages for nothing. It's not a game and we would all rather be at work. It is NOT our choice.

Well I hope you get your own way then.

Unless that means you knock off when you are finished with a round but expect to get paid for a full shift, pull 25k pa and refuse to be at all flexible.

I hope you go bust. We'll still pay your taxes for you. Just like now really.

[goingpostal]

We could just complain but that would get us as far as it is getting you.

I'm sorry for your troubles but we aren't losing wages for nothing. It's not a game and we would all rather be at work. It is NOT our choice.

Well I hope you get your own way then.

Unless that means you knock off when you are finished with a round but expect to get paid for a full shift, pull 25k pa and refuse to be at all flexible.

M8 i'm lucky to pull in 17k per year and they only day i knock of early is a tuesday and thats down to the way the processing works and then it's only 25 mins or so you believe these papers about our wages, trust me if we were on that amount of money we wouldn't be so bothered about a pay rise, i would have to pull in 14 hour shifts every day to make that kind of money, you business people are all me me me, well go on set up an account with someone else, and watch their price's rocket

[Opti]

We could just complain but that would get us as far as it is getting you.

I'm sorry for your troubles but we aren't losing wages for nothing. It's not a game and we would all rather be at work. It is NOT our choice.

Well I hope you get your own way then.

Unless that means you knock off when you are finished with a round but expect to get paid for a full shift, pull 25k pa and refuse to be at all flexible.

I hope you go bust. We'll still pay your taxes for you. Just like now really.

Alienating the customer....Genius.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

We could just complain but that would get us as far as it is getting you.

I'm sorry for your troubles but we aren't losing wages for nothing. It's not a game and we would all rather be at work. It is NOT our choice.

Well I hope you get your own way then.

Unless that means you knock off when you are finished with a round but expect to get paid for a full shift, pull 25k pa and refuse to be at all flexible.

I hope you go bust. We'll still pay your taxes for you. Just like now really.

Alienating the customer....Genius.

Get your taxes paid. We have to, and so should you.

[Opti]

We could just complain but that would get us as far as it is getting you.

I'm sorry for your troubles but we aren't losing wages for nothing. It's not a game and we would all rather be at work. It is NOT our choice.

Well I hope you get your own way then.

Unless that means you knock off when you are finished with a round but expect to get paid for a full shift, pull 25k pa and refuse to be at all flexible.

M8 i'm lucky to pull in 17k per year and they only day i knock of early is a tuesday and thats down to the way the processing works and then it's only 25 mins or so you believe these papers about our wages, trust me if we were on that amount of money we wouldn't be so bothered about a pay rise, i would have to pull in 14 hour shifts every day to make that kind of money, you business people are all me me me, well go on set up an account with someone else, and watch their price's rocket

I don't want to use another service, I have used them in the past and they are s**t which is why I use RM, I have a lot of time for all the RM workers I deal with day to day but I am looking at serious damage to my business which already has a shitload of other factors threatening it.
Not getting my mail at home is an inconvenience. Not getting my business post sent/recieved is a complete fuckup. Whether I sympathise or not is not the issue, at this rate it will not matter, cos I will have no business.