Is the furlough agreement for real

wf · Post by wf » 01 May 2020, 13:31

I’m just wondering if the furlough agreement is of any use to anyone
How can the business put so many strings on what Is essentially government money
- so from April 20 ,you take two weeks leave
- you’ve used up all your carried over leave or been unpaid
- you then need a letter from person your shielding from nhs
-we have already been in lockdown for 6weeks
-furlough lasts 12 weeks doesn’t it ?
So anyone that ticks all these boxes will get paid 4 weeks at 80 %
Then what ?
We are paying into a union to get a deal like that
Is this for real ?
Other firms that don’t even have a union got furloughed right from the very start and most without jumping through all these hoops
Come on Cwu ,open your eyes .this is totally ridiculous and there hasn’t been a word about it since we were told no letters on a Saturday

oypostie · Post by **oypostie** » 01 May 2020, 13:54

No good blaming the union. Royal Mail are making up the rules and are refusing to talk to the union. Direct your justified wrath at the bosses of Royal Mail

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 01 May 2020, 13:59

oypostie wrote:No good blaming the union. Royal Mail are making up the rules and are refusing to talk to the union. Direct your justified wrath at the bosses of Royal Mail

I agree this piecemeal approach to the virus, and the various agreements that arise from it seem engineered to sideline the Union. If I am right I hope more see through the bovine excrement and focus their anger in the right direction

The CWU is not blameless, they have been outplayed, but at least they are trying to jelp us.

wf · Post by wf » 01 May 2020, 14:05

oypostie wrote:No good blaming the union. Royal Mail are making up the rules and are refusing to talk to the union. Direct your justified wrath at the bosses of Royal Mail

Did they not talk to them to get that deal or am I missing something
We know what we are up against with the bosses ,but for the union to come out to a fanfare of great deal etc on the furlough ,I really don’t believe it is
I’m not angry at the union but I’m starting to think they are being outsmarted at every stage

wf · Post by wf » 01 May 2020, 14:13

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
oypostie wrote:No good blaming the union. Royal Mail are making up the rules and are refusing to talk to the union. Direct your justified wrath at the bosses of Royal Mail

I agree this piecemeal approach to the virus, and the various agreements that arise from it seem engineered to sideline the Union. If I am right I hope more see through the bovine excrement and focus their anger in the right direction

The CWU is not blameless, they have been outplayed, but at least they are trying to jelp us.

Does the ‘ if you feel your office is unsafe to work we will back you 100 % ‘ still stand ?
What about stick to your own duty this sat ,will they back you if your suspended for this
They need to do something to justify their being there don’t you agree
I don’t want to see the end of the union but they need to show some leadership very soon and stop their ranting

Bingsmith · Post by **Bingsmith** » 01 May 2020, 14:23

wf wrote:I’m just wondering if the furlough agreement is of any use to anyone
How can the business put so many strings on what Is essentially government money
- so from April 20 ,you take two weeks leave
- you’ve used up all your carried over leave or been unpaid
- you then need a letter from person your shielding from nhs
-we have already been in lockdown for 6weeks
-furlough lasts 12 weeks doesn’t it ?
So anyone that ticks all these boxes will get paid 4 weeks at 80 %
Then what ?
We are paying into a union to get a deal like that
Is this for real ?
Other firms that don’t even have a union got furloughed right from the very start and most without jumping through all these hoops
Come on Cwu ,open your eyes .this is totally ridiculous and there hasn’t been a word about it since we were told no letters on a Saturday

I couldn’t agree more, it’s a rubbish deal! Why do you have to use your carryover holiday & two weeks into 2020/2021? It’s being paid by the government NOT RM. Really are there that many employees who have used all of their 6 months sick pay up? Even then it’s not meant to be about sick pay

What about the people that were only given 4/6/8 hours contracts but need to & do work 20/30/40hrs. This makes no sense

Would also have to add it’s better to hang on to your holiday, stay on 100% sick pay funded RM then 80% funded by the government. Wake up RM your doing you out of money

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 01 May 2020, 14:39

TrueBlueTerrier wrote: but at least they are trying to jelp us.

jelp
to help in a judgmental manner

nuns · Post by **nuns** » 01 May 2020, 16:40

so its only 80% of wages (living with some one who's on list)
ive got take 2 weeks plus left over days from last year before can apply
does this run until june or like they saying these people on list won't be able to go out for maybe rest of the year or at least october
will it extend to that?

wazer · Post by **wazer** » 01 May 2020, 17:00

We have not been told about this in our office,no memo,no cwu feedback.where can i see this in writting. Ta

wf · Post by wf » 01 May 2020, 17:43

What bit do you need to see
Hopefully one of the mods can put it up
You won’t hear anything about anything ,unless your on here a lot ,Facebook or have a good rep

Post by **POSTMAN** » 05 May 2020, 17:01

LTB 228/20 - RE: Royal Mail Sick Pay Policy – Furlough

Successfully applied for furlough anyone?

LTB 240/20 - Further Updated Guidance on Assistance available to Members and their Dependants during the COVID-19 Crisis

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 05 May 2020, 20:19

Most of the guys who have been shielding other people have been doing so on unpaid leave because that's what the guidance was from the start. It would be easy for Royal Mail to change two weeks of that to annual leave and make the whole process a bit easier.

I can understand why they want you to take two weeks of your annual leave, this could be relatively long term and I think the furlough for shielding will be in place for much longer than the original 12 weeks, the only way out of lockdown for the rest of the country is to continue to shield vulnerable people.

I can obviously understand why they want evidence of both the NHS letter and proof of residence, this is government money not Royal Mail money and they have to cover their arses and ensure against fraud.

The ability to furlough due to shielding a relative was not part of the original scheme and was tagged on at a later date. To be fair it's not that many hoops to jump through in order to have piece of mind for what may be months and months of shielding. I would however make sure you qualify on all grounds before making an application. Use two weeks of annual leave first plus any carry over and get your documents together.

Bingsmith · Post by **Bingsmith** » 05 May 2020, 21:14

Ok this is not aimed at anyone or any post but there other companies than RM, just want to point that out as some people do think RM are the law & what they say goes.

My 30yr old twins have been furloughed by their different employees. They are not ill or shielding, just put on 80% & their company is already being paid by the government, no sick, holiday or other will be taken from them.

My 50yr old brother, who is employed by the NHS is diabetic, & although he does NOT have the letter & is not on the vulnerable list he is allowed 100% pay & no sick, holiday or other will be taken off him.

Just want to point out that RM can & should be more flexible.