Any Good News From a Pilot Office?

[tramssirhc]

CSS machines are now being removed.

How can this be possible when Parliament has yet to agree any USO changes?
Royal Mail are behaving like it is a done deal.

The removal of CSS machines does not need Parliamentary approval. Ward and Walsh's experiment is designed to avoid the need for legal change. ODM is designed to give maximum profit by changing the operation without breaching the legal requirements.

It’s RM’s plan. The union forced them to trial it.

Its the plan of all parties. The CWU are an equal partner not an innocent bystander. Can you imagine the RMT helping the railway industry destroy 1 in 4 jobs? Eddie Dempsey telling RMT members who are guards that they've lost their jobs because the 2355 Bargoed to Penrith makes no money. He'd be gone. The CWU executive should be gone.

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The current universal service obligation (USO) requires Royal Mail to deliver First Class and Second Class letters six days a week (Monday to Saturday).

So how is this changing without parliamentary approval?

[Barnacle]

USO changes will need parliamentary approval as it is part of the Postal Services Act.

ODM does not requirement Parliamentary approval. Thats the whole point. The regulator broke ranks this week when it appeared weak as the tripartite attack on the service was exposed. Parliament is a bit pissed off with the regulator for it's complicity with the industry. Ward has implied another select committee is looming. The regulator is going to face tough questions.

Parliament isn’t at all ‘pissed off’ with OFCOM. I have heard no criticism of them at all. Not even when their statement launching the consultation period, laid out the results they wanted in advance?!?

RM are producing reems of organisational changes, they have a very short timetable for a roll out of this destructive delivery method.

What is going to stop them? The whole thing is based on false data. It’s Horizon, but the human version.

[tramssirhc]

Please explain why it does not change the mnimum legal requirements with first and second class daily post to every domestic establishment?

There is no legal requirement to delivery 2C every day. The USO requirements are very limited. Some of the most liberal in the world.

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The legal requirement is the USO part of the Posatal Services Act

The current universal service obligation (USO) requires Royal Mail to deliver First Class and Second Class letters six days a week (Monday to Saturday).

European USO obligations are only five days a week.

[tramssirhc]

The current universal service obligation (USO) requires Royal Mail to deliver First Class and Second Class letters six days a week (Monday to Saturday).

So how is this changing without parliamentary approval?

The legal requirements for 2C don't translate that way. ODM is designed to meet the current USO.

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Please respond to my posts with facts, not personal opinion

How does ODM meet the current USO minimum requirements?

[Barnacle]

Please explain why it does not change the mnimum legal requirements with first and second class daily post to every domestic establishment?

There is no legal requirement to delivery 2C every day. The USO requirements are very limited. Some of the most liberal in the world.

They have been breaching the USO for months and months, as soon as they introduced their method of holding mail back at MCs. When some mail reaches a DO it can already be 5 days plus old, then if the DO is short staffed, it will languish in a frame for another few days.

Management have created this debacle by lying about fails. Middle management believe their lies, then feed the lies to upper management who then believe cuts can be made, and so the merry go round goes on.

It’s an absolute farce.

[tramssirhc]

Please respond to my posts with facts, not personal opinion

The whole purpose of the CWU experiment is to maximise profit with the current legislative framework. The measure of the USO is the percentage not the day. The industry is not measured by the day things arrive. Its measured by the percentage arriving within the time limit -.1C next day, 2C within 3 working days. This is the legal requirement not if a 2C letter is delivered everyday.

[redlen]

You are yet again evading my question

The USO/Postal Services Act set minimum statutory obligations to comply.

A commercial contract cannot take precedent with terms and conditions

The day the letter arrives is irrelevant, as long as the minimum requirements is observed everyday with a first/second class letter.

The current universal service obligation (USO) requires Royal Mail to deliver First Class and Second Class letters six days a week (Monday to Saturday).

[tramssirhc]

Please explain why it does not change the mnimum legal requirements with first and second class daily post to every domestic establishment?

There is no legal requirement to delivery 2C every day. The USO requirements are very limited. Some of the most liberal in the world.

They have been breaching the USO for months and months, as soon as they introduced their method of holding mail back at MCs. When some mail reaches a DO it can already be 5 days plus old, then if the DO is short staffed, it will languish in a frame for another few days.

Management have created this debacle by lying about fails. Middle management believe their lies, then feed the lies to upper management who then believe cuts can be made, and so the merry go round goes on.

It’s an absolute farce.

Absolutely there is a crisis, one which began when the CWU allowed the industry to throw the whole regulatory regime and hundreds of years of terms and conditions in the bin because of Covid. The CWU said smashing seniority, duty structures and duties was better than furlough. Pullinger applauding workers being sent to their deaths delivering tat from the internet because we were his imaginary fourth emergency service. As him and Ward sat in their homes, safe.

The CWU have not lifted a finger to put that right since. The industry saw the power of the CWU when they caved in for COVID. That genie was never going back in the bottle.

[tramssirhc]

You are yet again evading my question

The USO/Postal Services Act set minimum statutory obligations to comply.

A commercial contract cannot take precedent with terms and conditions

The day the letter arrives is irrelevant, as long as the minimum requirements is observed everyday with a first/second class letter.

The current universal service obligation (USO) requires Royal Mail to deliver First Class and Second Class letters six days a week (Monday to Saturday).

You're wrong. I'm not your problem, the CWU is. You need to read the regulatory framework. Its percentages not days.

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Yet again you are evading the question because it is uncomfortable. Primary legislation cannot be derogated by a commercial contract. The USO conditions I have repeatedly posted gives that regulatory framework to comply with.

[Acca Dacca]

Please explain why it does not change the mnimum legal requirements with first and second class daily post to every domestic establishment?

Only first class this applies to and unless that isnt being delivered 6 days a week - which this new way will continue to do - then no parliamentary approval is needed

As said above, that is the point of trying to do this optimised delivery model instead

[Barnacle]

Please explain why it does not change the mnimum legal requirements with first and second class daily post to every domestic establishment?

Only first class this applies to and unless that isnt being delivered 6 days a week - which this new way will continue to do - then no parliamentary approval is needed

As said above, that is the point of trying to do this optimised delivery model instead

And the flaw in their Pilot delivery model has become evident the second they began the trials - the volume of mail has come as a surprise to management. Only 700million items are 1c. Everything else is not covered by the USO.

So the decision to deliver ‘everything else’ every other day, has been catastrophic.