Coms choosing your duty

[Pidleypoo]

Martin Walsh has said on another thread that the odm method that Royal Mail want would mean that your com chooses what duty you go on and seniority would be finished.

I’m sure most of you can see the problem with that.

[chickenwittle]

Martin Walsh has said on another thread that the odm method that Royal Mail want would mean that your com chooses what duty you go on and seniority would be finished.

I’m sure most of you can see the problem with that.

The CWU haters will find a way of blaming the CWU for that .

[tramssirhc]

Martin Walsh has said on another thread that the odm method that Royal Mail want would mean that your com chooses what duty you go on and seniority would be finished.

I’m sure most of you can see the problem with that.

That's not part of the method change. Whose told you that's the way it's going?

[tramssirhc]

Martin Walsh has said on another thread that the odm method that Royal Mail want would mean that your com chooses what duty you go on and seniority would be finished.

I’m sure most of you can see the problem with that.

I've just read what Martin said. Unless he can prove it then it's just his word at the moment. It's hard enough managing as it is at the moment. Who'd want to be the person choosing duties for others? I can't see the Unite members taking this lying down.

[ted_e_bear]

Martin Walsh has said on another thread that the odm method that Royal Mail want would mean that your com chooses what duty you go on and seniority would be finished.

I’m sure most of you can see the problem with that.

That's not part of the method change. Whose told you that's the way it's going?

Martin Walsh in this thread

viewtopic.php?p=1151490#p1151490

[Martin Walsh]

It is stated within Royal Mails DRP process. That on deployment the COM will allocate the duties based on knowledge and experience. Remember every fourth job will be gone and individuals will rotate from a core walk all mail and a combined just first class.

There will be resign at some stage post deployment but by then individuals would have been in those jobs for over three months and again there is no mention that resign will be done on seniority!

[Tman]

I can't see the Unite members taking this lying down.

Pffft, what have they got to do with it?
{or do you really mean Unison?}

[tramssirhc]

It is stated within Royal Mails DRP process. That on deployment the COM will allocate the duties based on knowledge and experience. Remember every fourth job will be gone and individuals will rotate from a core walk all mail and a combined just first class.

There will be resign at some stage post deployment but by then individuals would have been in those jobs for over three months and again there is no mention that resign will be done on seniority!

Martin,

That's very different to your claim that duties will be picked for workers. Duties picks have always been based on skill sets and if the words are 'knowledge and experience' then that's not new.

[tramssirhc]

Martin Walsh has said on another thread that the odm method that Royal Mail want would mean that your com chooses what duty you go on and seniority would be finished.

I’m sure most of you can see the problem with that.

That's not part of the method change. Whose told you that's the way it's going?

Martin Walsh in this thread

viewtopic.php?p=1151490#p1151490

Martin's modified his claim in this thread.

[tramssirhc]

I can't see the Unite members taking this lying down.

Pffft, what have they got to do with it?
{or do you really mean Unison?}

Martin is saying that Unite members will be picking duties for workers.

[Martin Walsh]

Trams this is Royal Mail’s stated position. The CWU will be opposing it in the talks but if there is no agreement and they decide to impose ODM unit by unit then this will be the way they intend to select duties.

I repeat the CWU will not agree to this proposal.

[tramssirhc]

Trams this is Royal Mail’s stated position. The CWU will be opposing it in the talks but if there is no agreement and they decide to impose ODM unit by unit then this will be the way they intend to select duties.

I repeat the CWU will not agree to this proposal.

Martin,

The allocation of duties has always had the employers input. Many members have watched as seniority has been ripped up and lets be honest the CWU allowed seniority to be ripped up in COVID. Plenty of posts exist in this forum where members are telling the Union seniority has been ignored.

Unless the words are that the employer will pick each workers duty then nothing has changed. Workers already work under 'operational needs' anyway. Under whichever method change there was always going to be members who lost their duty.

The CWU has already agreed to the proposals, that's why we're in the mess we're in.

[Martin Walsh]

Strange your supporting Royal Mail in allocating duties and not the rank and file who work in the delivery units.

The only times when seniority becomes an issue in a resign based on major change which USO would be :

1. If it impacted on someone losing their pensionable allowances which would require Royal Mail to pay for both pay protection for the individual losing and for someone new being paid the pensionable allowances.

2. For someone signing for say a driving duty who could not drive.

This is different. This is a COM selecting those a duty for individuals in a unit knowing in some there will be a surplus of staff including non drivers.

Now if that ain’t a big deal for you then I suggest your not listening to the real rank and file in our 1250 delivery units.

[tramssirhc]

Strange your supporting Royal Mail in allocating duties and not the rank and file who work in the delivery units.

The only times when seniority becomes an issue in a resign based on major change which USO would be :

1. If it impacted on someone losing their pensionable allowances which would require Royal Mail to pay for both pay protection for the individual losing and for someone new being paid the pensionable allowances.

2. For someone signing for say a driving duty who could not drive.

This is different. This is a COM selecting those a duty for individuals in a unit knowing in some there will be a surplus of staff including non drivers.

Now if that ain’t a big deal for you then I suggest your not listening to the real rank and file in our 1250 delivery units.

Martin,

You need to choose another hill to die on. Unless the wording is explicit that the employer will pick individual workers duties then nothings changed.

Stop messing about and start organising.

[Pidleypoo]

I have reasonable adjustments so I have zero faith in management to abide by that if they’re allowed to pick and choose what I’m doing each day.