Part timers in December

neilgg · Post by **neilgg** » 31 Oct 2018, 19:10

Part timers at my office are being asked to do full time hours in December. Most will be more than happy to come in early for the cash but I'm unclear as to whether they should be given a temporary full time contract or not. My understanding is that such a contract would mean a full Christmas bonus instead of pro rata. Is this right?
Previous Christmases have just seen part timers claim the early start as overtime and get a pro rata bonus.
Thanks

number one · Post by **number one** » 31 Oct 2018, 19:12

neilgg wrote:Part timers at my office are being asked to do full time hours in December. Most will be more than happy to come in early for the cash but I'm unclear as to whether they should be given a temporary full time contract or not. My understanding is that such a contract would mean a full Christmas bonus instead of pro rata. Is this right?
Previous Christmases have just seen part timers claim the early start as overtime and get a pro rata bonus.
Thanks

No need to change contracts, those that do full time hours over the Christmas pressure period do get the full bonus. They always have

JKSmudge · Post by **JKSmudge** » 31 Oct 2018, 19:41

number one wrote:
neilgg wrote:Part timers at my office are being asked to do full time hours in December. Most will be more than happy to come in early for the cash but I'm unclear as to whether they should be given a temporary full time contract or not. My understanding is that such a contract would mean a full Christmas bonus instead of pro rata. Is this right?
Previous Christmases have just seen part timers claim the early start as overtime and get a pro rata bonus.
Thanks
No need to change contracts, those that do full time hours over the Christmas pressure period do get the full bonus. They always have

Except when it doesn't get paid and you spend months on Dom & Unions backs - finally got what I was owed late Feb this year

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 31 Oct 2018, 19:51

number one wrote:
neilgg wrote:Part timers at my office are being asked to do full time hours in December. Most will be more than happy to come in early for the cash but I'm unclear as to whether they should be given a temporary full time contract or not. My understanding is that such a contract would mean a full Christmas bonus instead of pro rata. Is this right?
Previous Christmases have just seen part timers claim the early start as overtime and get a pro rata bonus.
Thanks
No need to change contracts, those that do full time hours over the Christmas pressure period do get the full bonus. They always have

Paragraph 2 from the Royal Mail Core Business – Christmas Pay Supplement 2016 suggests that might not be the case for P/T'ers:

2. Part Time Employees.
Part time employees are entitled to the Christmas supplement on a pro rata basis. They will receive the payment pro-rata to a full time week according to their contracted hours on the date payment is made. Part-time employees that vary their contractual hours and work full-time for a two-week period during the Christmas pressure period (between Monday 28th November 2016 and Friday 23rd December 2016) will be paid the Christmas supplement in full. Note that overtime or scheduled attendance hours DO NOT contribute towards payment calculation.

number one · Post by **number one** » 31 Oct 2018, 19:59

yellowbelly wrote:
number one wrote:
neilgg wrote:Part timers at my office are being asked to do full time hours in December. Most will be more than happy to come in early for the cash but I'm unclear as to whether they should be given a temporary full time contract or not. My understanding is that such a contract would mean a full Christmas bonus instead of pro rata. Is this right?
Previous Christmases have just seen part timers claim the early start as overtime and get a pro rata bonus.
Thanks
No need to change contracts, those that do full time hours over the Christmas pressure period do get the full bonus. They always have
Paragraph 2 from the Royal Mail Core Business – Christmas Pay Supplement 2016 suggests that might not be the case for P/T'ers:

2. Part Time Employees.
Part time employees are entitled to the Christmas supplement on a pro rata basis. They will receive the payment pro-rata to a full time week according to their contracted hours on the date payment is made. Part-time employees that vary their contractual hours and work full-time for a two-week period during the Christmas pressure period (between Monday 28th November 2016 and Friday 23rd December 2016) will be paid the Christmas supplement in full. Note that overtime or scheduled attendance hours DO NOT contribute towards payment calculation.

All that happens is the dom goes round asking part time staff if they want to work full time over xmas. They then tell payroll which staff want to do it so it gets paid in their wages not as overtime. The names that have been put forward get the full bonus. No new contract has to be made.

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 31 Oct 2018, 20:08

number one wrote:
yellowbelly wrote:
number one wrote:
neilgg wrote:Part timers at my office are being asked to do full time hours in December. Most will be more than happy to come in early for the cash but I'm unclear as to whether they should be given a temporary full time contract or not. My understanding is that such a contract would mean a full Christmas bonus instead of pro rata. Is this right?
Previous Christmases have just seen part timers claim the early start as overtime and get a pro rata bonus.
Thanks
No need to change contracts, those that do full time hours over the Christmas pressure period do get the full bonus. They always have
Paragraph 2 from the Royal Mail Core Business – Christmas Pay Supplement 2016 suggests that might not be the case for P/T'ers:

2. Part Time Employees.
Part time employees are entitled to the Christmas supplement on a pro rata basis. They will receive the payment pro-rata to a full time week according to their contracted hours on the date payment is made. Part-time employees that vary their contractual hours and work full-time for a two-week period during the Christmas pressure period (between Monday 28th November 2016 and Friday 23rd December 2016) will be paid the Christmas supplement in full. Note that overtime or scheduled attendance hours DO NOT contribute towards payment calculation.

All that happens is the dom goes round asking part time staff if they want to work full time over xmas. They then tell payroll which staff want to do it so it gets paid in their wages not as overtime. The names that have been put forward get the full bonus. No new contract has to be made.

The end result of the DOM going round is they (management) have to temporarily change contracted hours on PSP - contract change? You say tomato
I say tomato........

For everyone's benefit I think we should agree number one that if you don't get asked or don't ask for yourself don't assume that you will get the increase in contracted hours for the full bonus......

number one · Post by **number one** » 31 Oct 2018, 20:17

yellowbelly wrote:
number one wrote:
yellowbelly wrote:
number one wrote:
neilgg wrote:Part timers at my office are being asked to do full time hours in December. Most will be more than happy to come in early for the cash but I'm unclear as to whether they should be given a temporary full time contract or not. My understanding is that such a contract would mean a full Christmas bonus instead of pro rata. Is this right?
Previous Christmases have just seen part timers claim the early start as overtime and get a pro rata bonus.
Thanks
No need to change contracts, those that do full time hours over the Christmas pressure period do get the full bonus. They always have
Paragraph 2 from the Royal Mail Core Business – Christmas Pay Supplement 2016 suggests that might not be the case for P/T'ers:

2. Part Time Employees.
Part time employees are entitled to the Christmas supplement on a pro rata basis. They will receive the payment pro-rata to a full time week according to their contracted hours on the date payment is made. Part-time employees that vary their contractual hours and work full-time for a two-week period during the Christmas pressure period (between Monday 28th November 2016 and Friday 23rd December 2016) will be paid the Christmas supplement in full. Note that overtime or scheduled attendance hours DO NOT contribute towards payment calculation.

All that happens is the dom goes round asking part time staff if they want to work full time over xmas. They then tell payroll which staff want to do it so it gets paid in their wages not as overtime. The names that have been put forward get the full bonus. No new contract has to be made.
The end result of the DOM going round is they (management) have to temporarily change contracted hours on PSP - contract change? You say tomato
I say tomato........

For everyone's benefit I think we should agree number one that if you don't get asked or don't ask for yourself don't assume that you will get the increase in contracted hours for the full bonus......

Never an issue at my office

Seymour Buts · Post by **Seymour Buts** » 31 Oct 2018, 20:26

My contract is upped and I get the full bonus; never an issue. Hours have even been cut this year to reflect the sww.

Smith1212 · Post by **Smith1212** » 31 Oct 2018, 20:27

I got asked to go full-time today for Xmas period so it’s just going in earlier I assume and getting 1 hour more pay each day ! Correct ?

Seymour Buts · Post by **Seymour Buts** » 31 Oct 2018, 20:31

Smith1212 wrote:I got asked to go full-time today for Xmas period so it’s just going in earlier I assume and getting 1 hour more pay each day ! Correct ?

Depends on your current contract. It works out slightly more than just the hours as your delivery suppliment plus bonus will reflect that of a full timer.

Smith1212 · Post by **Smith1212** » 31 Oct 2018, 20:34

postietom wrote:
Smith1212 wrote:I got asked to go full-time today for Xmas period so it’s just going in earlier I assume and getting 1 hour more pay each day ! Correct ?
Depends on your current contract. It works out slightly more than just the hours as your delivery suppliment plus bonus will reflect that of a full timer.

My contract is 32/5 hours per week at the moment

Newbie001 · Post by **Newbie001** » 03 Nov 2018, 21:30

Been doing full-time hrs at Christmas for 4/5 yrs now. Pretty sure bonus has always been pro-rata for me. Don't recall ever getting full amount.

NewPostieUK · Post by **NewPostieUK** » 04 Nov 2018, 05:17

We (part timers in my office) thought we were on full time hours, as we were starting at the same time as full timers. It turns out the goal posts were moved, and we just got paid the hours we worked. So if you worked with a full timer on a van share and finish time was meant to be 3:30 and you finished at 3:30 you got full time hours for that day. If you finished at 3:00, you got 1/2 hour less, whilst the full time still got his full pay.
Of course it didn't happen much as it is a busy time of year, but still hardly fair, and of course, pro-rata bonus.

panch1989 · Post by **panch1989** » 04 Nov 2018, 07:45

Pro rata bonus is the biggest thing I hate about this company. "Part timers" can do the same, if not more hours than a full timer over Christmas. Everyone should get the same anyway

Seymour Buts · Post by **Seymour Buts** » 04 Nov 2018, 10:18

If you don't get the bonus your contract hasn't been changed, you're just doing overtime basically, but of a crock if you ask me!