New 4 Hour duty

[andy.m]

Ok, we started this new 4 hour duty last week, and so far, its an absolute farce, it just doesnt work. fact. having only been here 5 months, I got landed with a reserve duty, so im on this walk for a week while the permanent guy is on holiday. Im a 32.5 hour contract, starting at 7:30. he is the ridiculous part, I come in at 7:30 with no mail boxed in and expected to be out the door at 9:30, which is an absolute joke. tuesday is about the only day i get out and at that time. the other thing is its a shared van duty, which requires all the packets to be taken out. so im still boxing in at 10:30 this morning and the other guy waiting to go out. the duty manager doesnt know what to do, just a shambles. came back to today and mail still lying as people ony want to work to there time, which to be honest, is quite right. the duty managers pushed and pushed for this and now weve got it, its bollocks, doesnt work. hope your bonus was worth it

[Body Beyond Repair]

3.30 del span for fukd sake is nobody listening out there-NATIONAL AGREEMENTS

[Pat Ostman]

3.30 del span for fukd sake is nobody listening out there-NATIONAL AGREEMENTS

I think some people are but consider this. You approach your manager and say there is a national agreement that I should only be doing a 3.5 hour duty. Not an extended 4 hour one. The manager then says its a local agreement, or thats not true, or a number of other different things that make you question your own sanity. He then threatens to suspend you for not doing what he might suggest was a reasonable request.

I am with you on this but you must also consider people are also scared of their managers/scared of losing their jobs. The problem with the CWU is that some offices are more 'militant' than others. What if you work in a very weak office?

I have already been through the RM procedure (when they want you out) and its not very pleasant.

[spilie]

report to union who will ballot your office for IA, or you could just curl up and die you choose

[AndyK]

3.30 del span for fukd sake is nobody listening out there-NATIONAL AGREEMENTS

3.30 del span is the max on over the shoulder deliveries, were vans, HCT(high capacity truck) or other delivery methods that don't rely on weight on your back then they can go over the current 3.30. Thats been agreed by CWU, 3.30 - 4.15 depending on whats being used. I am afraid the 3.30 only delivery is a thing of the past, were gonna be expected to do longer as weight comes of the back and indoor work reduces.

[stokes11eg]

3.30 del span for fukd sake is nobody listening out there-NATIONAL AGREEMENTS

3.30 del span is the max on over the shoulder deliveries, were vans, HCT(high capacity truck) or other delivery methods that don't rely on weight on your back then they can go over the current 3.30. Thats been agreed by CWU, 3.30 - 4.15 depending on whats being used. I am afraid the 3.30 only delivery is a thing of the past, were gonna be expected to do longer as weight comes of the back and indoor work reduces.

When was it agreed that you could go over the three and a half hour span,depending on the use of trolleys etc?
This of course will mean most likely people being forced to use these things even when the walks are unsuitable. and
how on earth will they be transported to the first drop off point?

[uprising95]

that sounds like our D.O

today we cut off
took one full walk on the van
as well as 1 row of the other walk and got done to time lol
thats how bad it is

[uprising95]

what there trying to do as well is

get one person to throw in both rounds in
the job lot as there all part time walk
the amount of mail is f***ing nuts
they claim mail is dropping
yer it might be on the stamp side of things but cataloges magazines and all the rest that gets ripped up as soon as it gets pushed through the door is breeding

i could scream

[silverback]

3.30 del span for fukd sake is nobody listening out there-NATIONAL AGREEMENTS

3.30 del span is the max on over the shoulder deliveries, were vans, HCT(high capacity truck) or other delivery methods that don't rely on weight on your back then they can go over the current 3.30. Thats been agreed by CWU, 3.30 - 4.15 depending on whats being used. I am afraid the 3.30 only delivery is a thing of the past, were gonna be expected to do longer as weight comes of the back and indoor work reduces.

I vehemently dispute that...Please point us in the direction of national agreement which states this.

I understand that longer delivery spans will eventually be agreed by the cwu...but as far as I am aware none has been agreed as yet. I have consulted cwu at area level on this.

[POSTMAN]

The CWU thing about the 4hr delivery was that there were some trials somewhere,h&s were involved,and it was noted that a 4hr del with a HTC gave less fatigue than a normal bag/pouch box 3-30 del.

There is no official agreement between RM and the CWU regarding 4hr deliverys,Bob Gibson is all for the 3-30 hr delivery to stay,at least for the moment .

[k979aaa]

The CWU thing about the 4hr delivery was that there were some trials somewhere,h&s were involved,and it was noted that a 4hr del with a HTC gave less fatigue than a normal bag/pouch box 3-30 del.

There is no official agreement between RM and the CWU regarding 4hr deliverys,Bob Gibson is all for the 3-30 hr delivery to stay,at least for the moment .

And four hours out without a toilet is asking for trouble not too mention fatigue.

[AndyK]

your correct to say there is no agreement, however in principal your beloved area rep would agree to duties over 3.30 if the correct delivery methods were used or they split a delivery so it not a continuous delivery over 3.30 this comes from div reps as part of phase 3. Also look at van sharing duties they are 4.15 even the (unagreed) guidance notes say 4.15. So if your presented with proposals that take H&S and new delivery methods into account with duties over 3.30 they will be agreed by your area rep. (apart from at the moment were no proposals are being agreed until a new modernisation agreement is negotiated).

[harmony]

3.30 del span for fukd sake is nobody listening out there-NATIONAL AGREEMENTS

you are spot on with 3.30 del span but with 15min each way conveyance thats where you get your 4hr delivery

[harmony]

3.30 del span for fukd sake is nobody listening out there-NATIONAL AGREEMENTS

3.30 del span is the max on over the shoulder deliveries, were vans, HCT(high capacity truck) or other delivery methods that don't rely on weight on your back then they can go over the current 3.30. Thats been agreed by CWU, 3.30 - 4.15 depending on whats being used. I am afraid the 3.30 only delivery is a thing of the past, were gonna be expected to do longer as weight comes of the back and indoor work reduces.

I vehemently dispute that...Please point us in the direction of national agreement which states this.

I understand that longer delivery spans will eventually be agreed by the cwu...but as far as I am aware none has been agreed as yet. I have consulted cwu at area level on this.

here here

[AndyK]

My point is 3.30 continuous is max for over the shoulder and will remain, however look at van sharing, split deliveries, bullshit geo route revisions, lapsing etc all mean longer than 3.30, I also attended a meeting with area reps, div reps, RM managers and local reps to discuss deliveries over 3.30 as part of phase3 (north Lancs. /Cumbria) i.e. split deliveries use of new equipment. Dispute all you like. Fact longer deliveries are being agreed.

Introduction.
Following various discussions the CWU and Royal Mail in the North East of England agreed that there could be a joint benefit of introducing a trial of car derived deliveries in the XXXXX Delivery Office. Therefore both parties have agreed the following terms of reference / guidelines for the trial.

Background.
XXXXX Delivery office has been planning a Geo-route revision over the past few months with one section going live, and further sections to going live on a section by section basis. Within the Geo-route revision it has been highlighted that car-derived deliveries could be introduced as a trial as part of the Geo-route revision in the XX 7 section


Car-Derived Delivery span.
For the purpose of this trial both parties have agreed that because these duties will be delivering all packets and special deliveries the actual attendance time is over the 1.7% allocated in the Geo-route system. As such the delivery span for the car-derived delivery spans will be 4 hours 15 minutes taking cognisance of the need to identify short walks of 20 minutes between moving the van to different points of the delivery. The National Delivery Specification for last letter delivered of 14.00 and 15.00 for rural areas will be adhered to.