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Martins comment,,
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Barnacle
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’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Mr Rush
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The dream of any corporation. The only catch is usually you can't get away with it.
The machine stops.
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steve1873
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Not how it works. The 2 people are doing e erything on those 2 duties. The driver is doing all parcels, 1st class and collections on an entirely different 2 duties.claretandblue wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025, 07:04It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
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claretandblue
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I know, but it doesn't work, as the union has admitted.steve1873 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 05:42Not how it works. The 2 people are doing e erything on those 2 duties. The driver is doing all parcels, 1st class and collections on an entirely different 2 duties.claretandblue wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025, 07:04It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
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ted_e_bear
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The main reason I can think of that it doesn't work is there's too much work for the time allocated, perhaps if they went back to the original idea of making the duties smaller and therefore achievable then it might have a chance of working.claretandblue wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 06:45I know, but it doesn't work, as the union has admitted.steve1873 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 05:42Not how it works. The 2 people are doing e erything on those 2 duties. The driver is doing all parcels, 1st class and collections on an entirely different 2 duties.claretandblue wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025, 07:04It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
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claretandblue
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Depends if you've enough room for extra frames, we haven't, so my solution is more packet duties.ted_e_bear wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 08:57The main reason I can think of that it doesn't work is there's too much work for the time allocated, perhaps if they went back to the original idea of making the duties smaller and therefore achievable then it might have a chance of working.claretandblue wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 06:45I know, but it doesn't work, as the union has admitted.steve1873 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 05:42Not how it works. The 2 people are doing e erything on those 2 duties. The driver is doing all parcels, 1st class and collections on an entirely different 2 duties.claretandblue wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025, 07:04It shouldn't be rocket science to make it work, you have 2 people doing double mail and small packets, and a driver doing the medium and large plus Reggie's and consumer collections.
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Mr Rush
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Smaller duties = more duties = -£425m savings = EP Group never pays off their loan.ted_e_bear wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 08:57perhaps if they went back to the original idea of making the duties smaller
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Barnacle
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Maybe we need to switch it round? They’re trying to make drastic cuts to the section of the business that needs a certain level of staffing or it fails to deliver on every marker.Mr Rush wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025, 21:17Smaller duties = more duties = -£425m savings = EP Group never pays off their loan.ted_e_bear wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 08:57perhaps if they went back to the original idea of making the duties smaller
Why don’t they instead look at other areas which are horrendously wasteful? There are massive hubs which will never be used to full capacity unless we swallow up market share. That isn’t happening soon. Meanwhile there is technology in those hubs that requires fortunes to purchase and maintain. The hubs themselves are cavernous. Think of the energy costs?
Our office is huge with a load of wasted space above our heads. All that space is being heated and cooled.
Once you start looking, you see places to save money and be more efficient everywhere.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Clappedoutpostie
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Management will be the first place they look for savings.Barnacle wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025, 21:39Maybe we need to switch it round? They’re trying to make drastic cuts to the section of the business that needs a certain level of staffing or it fails to deliver on every marker.
Why don’t they instead look at other areas which are horrendously wasteful? There are massive hubs which will never be used to full capacity unless we swallow up market share. That isn’t happening soon. Meanwhile there is technology in those hubs that requires fortunes to purchase and maintain. The hubs themselves are cavernous. Think of the energy costs?
Our office is huge with a load of wasted space above our heads. All that space is being heated and cooled.
Once you start looking, you see places to save money and be more efficient everywhere.
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postslippete
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Re: Martins comment,,
Barnacle wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025, 21:39
Maybe we need to switch it round? They’re trying to make drastic cuts to the section of the business that needs a certain level of staffing or it fails to deliver on every marker.
Why don’t they instead look at other areas which are horrendously wasteful? There are massive hubs which will never be used to full capacity unless we swallow up market share. That isn’t happening soon. Meanwhile there is technology in those hubs that requires fortunes to purchase and maintain. The hubs themselves are cavernous. Think of the energy costs?
Our office is huge with a load of wasted space above our heads. All that space is being heated and cooled.
Once you start looking, you see places to save money and be more efficient everywhere.
The new super hubs were apparently built with energy efficiency in mind. The one at Daventry harvests rainwater for the toilets and uses on-site solar generation whilst the Midlands parcel hub has energy efficient heating and ventilation.
But you're right, there is more fat in the system than just the front line.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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SpacePhoenix
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Re: Martins comment,,
It was mentioned in one recent thread that for one DO, most of their packets have come from the hubs. if you multiply that over all the DOs covered by a MC, that's a lot of packets no longer going through the PSMs. I do wonder if RM will start to decommission and remove some PSMs from MCs and abandon any plans to install any more.postslippete wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025, 18:11Barnacle wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025, 21:39
Maybe we need to switch it round? They’re trying to make drastic cuts to the section of the business that needs a certain level of staffing or it fails to deliver on every marker.
Why don’t they instead look at other areas which are horrendously wasteful? There are massive hubs which will never be used to full capacity unless we swallow up market share. That isn’t happening soon. Meanwhile there is technology in those hubs that requires fortunes to purchase and maintain. The hubs themselves are cavernous. Think of the energy costs?
Our office is huge with a load of wasted space above our heads. All that space is being heated and cooled.
Once you start looking, you see places to save money and be more efficient everywhere.
The new super hubs were apparently built with energy efficiency in mind. The one at Daventry harvests rainwater for the toilets and uses on-site solar generation whilst the Midlands parcel hub has energy efficient heating and ventilation.
But you're right, there is more fat in the system than just the front line.
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Barnacle
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Re: Martins comment,,
What does PSM stand for?SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025, 19:39It was mentioned in one recent thread that for one DO, most of their packets have come from the hubs. if you multiply that over all the DOs covered by a MC, that's a lot of packets no longer going through the PSMs. I do wonder if RM will start to decommission and remove some PSMs from MCs and abandon any plans to install any more.postslippete wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025, 18:11Barnacle wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025, 21:39
Maybe we need to switch it round? They’re trying to make drastic cuts to the section of the business that needs a certain level of staffing or it fails to deliver on every marker.
Why don’t they instead look at other areas which are horrendously wasteful? There are massive hubs which will never be used to full capacity unless we swallow up market share. That isn’t happening soon. Meanwhile there is technology in those hubs that requires fortunes to purchase and maintain. The hubs themselves are cavernous. Think of the energy costs?
Our office is huge with a load of wasted space above our heads. All that space is being heated and cooled.
Once you start looking, you see places to save money and be more efficient everywhere.
The new super hubs were apparently built with energy efficiency in mind. The one at Daventry harvests rainwater for the toilets and uses on-site solar generation whilst the Midlands parcel hub has energy efficient heating and ventilation.
But you're right, there is more fat in the system than just the front line.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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SpacePhoenix
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Re: Martins comment,,
Packet Sorting MachineBarnacle wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025, 19:52What does PSM stand for?SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025, 19:39It was mentioned in one recent thread that for one DO, most of their packets have come from the hubs. if you multiply that over all the DOs covered by a MC, that's a lot of packets no longer going through the PSMs. I do wonder if RM will start to decommission and remove some PSMs from MCs and abandon any plans to install any more.postslippete wrote: ↑22 Jul 2025, 18:11Barnacle wrote: ↑21 Jul 2025, 21:39
Maybe we need to switch it round? They’re trying to make drastic cuts to the section of the business that needs a certain level of staffing or it fails to deliver on every marker.
Why don’t they instead look at other areas which are horrendously wasteful? There are massive hubs which will never be used to full capacity unless we swallow up market share. That isn’t happening soon. Meanwhile there is technology in those hubs that requires fortunes to purchase and maintain. The hubs themselves are cavernous. Think of the energy costs?
Our office is huge with a load of wasted space above our heads. All that space is being heated and cooled.
Once you start looking, you see places to save money and be more efficient everywhere.
The new super hubs were apparently built with energy efficiency in mind. The one at Daventry harvests rainwater for the toilets and uses on-site solar generation whilst the Midlands parcel hub has energy efficient heating and ventilation.
But you're right, there is more fat in the system than just the front line.
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SkiSunday
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Re: Martins comment,,
It's a big tumble dryer that sorts packets. Some folk that work in processing, sit Infront of them and unjam them every couple of minutes for 8 hours a night for 16 quid an hour lol.
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Barnacle
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I could do that
What’s that job called?
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’