Union Using Door to Door Supplement as Bargaining Tool

[LouBarlow]

It is true though isn’t it. I get it, we live in a world where people just make up crap and post it on social media and suddenly it is truth, but at least use some critical thought and understand what you are believing before posting it on this site.

Lol we as a 'unskilled' workforce have probably had the worst pay cut across the board of 'unskilled' jobs in the UK over the last 10 years accounting for inflation/workload.

Nonsense. You are working the same hours. The extra workload is not your problem. As for inflation, it impacts on everyone equally. You received a pay rise and lump sum upon the last agreement. No, it was not in keeping with inflation, but then no many other ‘unskilled workers’ received inflation beating payrises either.

[Barnacle]

In last night’s CWU Live, Martin Walsh mentioned that the Delivery Supplement costs RM £40m.

It is clearly part of pay discussions because otherwise, why mention it?

It would be great if someone had a copy of the agreement which contained the introduction of the Delivery Supplement because that would clearly specify what exactly it covers.

[tramssirhc]

Anything Martin Walsh says is simply telegraphing what's coming. That's not what an independent rank and file fighting back trade union does. The CWU is a bust flush.

[postslippete]

It really doesn't give me much faith when everything the CWU suggests seems to be based on the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Forget the comparisons of RM in the bygone age before privatisation as any justification for even more change; didn't the company actually save any money with the last deal with cuts in sick pay and seasonal variations? We also have even more new entrants on inferior contracts and more FTEs reduced as well.

The language from the Union has definitely changed from one of levelling up those on inferior pay, terms and conditions to one of an agreement which "harmonises" new entrants terms and conditions. Reducing the new entrants contracted hours from 40 to 37 doesn't automatically improve a manageable workload which seems to be increasing. How many redundancies does RM expect with a reformed USO anyway?

[Sean06]

Anything Martin Walsh says is simply telegraphing what's coming. That's not what an independent rank and file fighting back trade union does. The CWU is a bust flush.

Join the pwrfc then or whatever they are called.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Scotchy

I don’t accept that at all. Members don’t want reps to make false promises, they want to understand the challenges they face.

The easy and most popular thing a union rep can say is we going to do x, y and z and then not deliver it.

The vast majority of members I meet understand the challenges the union and government face.

This is a 8 billion pound company which made a 67 million loss this year.

It does not matter who owns the company unless there is change and growth this company will not survive within the next few years.

We have over 70% of letters now being delivered by Down Stream accesss where the cherry pickers creamed off the top leaving Royal Mail to deliver the final mile cost.

40% of letters are now in the enconomy Mail product which does not get delivered unless there are two items to an address until day 4.

Most customers are downgrading from 1st class due to either pricing or quality.

Royal Mail share of parcels has halved since privatisation and whilst Royal Mail remains the dominant player in the 48 market their share of the 24 market is less than a third.

Self employed drivers in Evri and other couriers are undercutting Royal Mail but Royal Mail do not off a next day delivery up to 8 o clock.

You may want to not hear the realities of what is happening and shout from the sidelines but this is what the union has to deal with and that is the reality.

Martin again i have no interest, and any fellow postie i know has no interest, in the day to day running of this company. How it costs things, if it makes a profit or a loss and anything in between.
That is a problem for the board of this company, not me or the union.
So the company doesn't survive, is that my fault? your fault? or could it be the people running its fault? I fancy the latter.
Sometimes that is what happens, businesses run their course.
We have the Czech Dan the man coming to the rescue, he is a man worth a penny or two and is possibly more clued up than the present bunch.
If he can't turn it around then i fancy RM will have run its course in this form and RM will have to have a full sensible adult conversation with the government.
I know the realities of what is happening, but believing the union has to "Deal" with this is purely to do with some sort of vanity project, nowhere in your remit with us the members says you get involved in the day to day running of this company or worry about how other companies run as well.
Looking after us the membership should be the only priority of the union, nothing else.

Many members do want analysis of the data and breakdown of the realities the company are facing.
You can make a clearer judgement on the direction of the union if you are armed with the facts.

[Londonsburning]

It is true though isn’t it. I get it, we live in a world where people just make up crap and post it on social media and suddenly it is truth, but at least use some critical thought and understand what you are believing before posting it on this site.

Lol we as a 'unskilled' workforce have probably had the worst pay cut across the board of 'unskilled' jobs in the UK over the last 10 years accounting for inflation/workload.

Nonsense. You are working the same hours. The extra workload is not your problem. As for inflation, it impacts on everyone equally. You received a pay rise and lump sum upon the last agreement. No, it was not in keeping with inflation, but then no many other ‘unskilled workers’ received inflation beating payrises either.

I think your missing the point that a large chunk of the workforce are paid £12.24 an hour now and working terrible shift patterns IE delivering at night time

[scotchy1962]

Looking after us the membership should be the only priority of the union, nothing else.

How exactly do you look after the membership without taking account of the wider issues?

Clash they are trying to get to involved in the company running and finances, nothing to do with them, wider issues are our workload and the expectations of the membership for the union to look after them.
If they get to embroiled in the running of this company we are screwed, next thing they will be trying to cost everything and "can't give you a payrise, look at the books".
Companies problem not ours.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Looking after us the membership should be the only priority of the union, nothing else.

How exactly do you look after the membership without taking account of the wider issues?

Clash they are trying to get to involved in the company running and finances, nothing to do with them, wider issues are our workload and the expectations of the membership for the union to look after them.
If they get to embroiled in the running of this company we are screwed, next thing they will be trying to cost everything and "can't give you a payrise, look at the books".
Companies problem not ours.

Well it is our problem is there isn't the money currently to give a decent pay rise without some structural changes to the USO and how operations are run in general.
They still pay our wages and if it isn't financially successful in its current model it is in the best interest of all of us that the top table of our union do crunch the numbers and come up with viable solutions.
Being transparent with this information is it exactly what people want in my opinion.

[scotchy1962]

Looking after us the membership should be the only priority of the union, nothing else.

How exactly do you look after the membership without taking account of the wider issues?

Clash they are trying to get to involved in the company running and finances, nothing to do with them, wider issues are our workload and the expectations of the membership for the union to look after them.
If they get to embroiled in the running of this company we are screwed, next thing they will be trying to cost everything and "can't give you a payrise, look at the books".
Companies problem not ours.

Well it is our problem is there isn't the money currently to give a decent pay rise without some structural changes to the USO and how operations are run in general.
They still pay our wages and if it isn't financially successful in its current model it is in the best interest of all of us that the top table of our union do crunch the numbers and come up with viable solutions.
Being transparent with this information is it exactly what people want in my opinion.

What are you talking about? We are workers, our only investment in this company is working for them, day to day running is the boards problem.
They haven't got the money to pay us...... Boo-Hoo cry me a river. Maybe you shouldn't be squandering it in the first place.
It's pretty obvious it isn't viable in it's current form, doesn't mean the union we all pay into suddenly joins forces with them, that would lead to a mass exodus from the union.

[Londonsburning]

Looking after us the membership should be the only priority of the union, nothing else.

How exactly do you look after the membership without taking account of the wider issues?

Clash they are trying to get to involved in the company running and finances, nothing to do with them, wider issues are our workload and the expectations of the membership for the union to look after them.
If they get to embroiled in the running of this company we are screwed, next thing they will be trying to cost everything and "can't give you a payrise, look at the books".
Companies problem not ours.

Well it is our problem is there isn't the money currently to give a decent pay rise without some structural changes to the USO and how operations are run in general.
They still pay our wages and if it isn't financially successful in its current model it is in the best interest of all of us that the top table of our union do crunch the numbers and come up with viable solutions.
Being transparent with this information is it exactly what people want in my opinion.

The problem is that the CWU are failing the very people who pay their wages. Every 'deal' they have agreed for the membership over the last 5 or 6 years has been a piss take it's a f***ing clown show

[thefox]

D2d payment or delivery supplement everyone knows what it is ,s there any need to be constantly debating this ffs.

Then there is no need to be constantly mislabelling it is there ffs.
Why don't we call it the early shift allowance payment which it replaced?

Call it whatever you want to call it we all know what it is your talking about it's hardly a big deal is it.

[LouBarlow]

Looking after us the membership should be the only priority of the union, nothing else.

How exactly do you look after the membership without taking account of the wider issues?

Clash they are trying to get to involved in the company running and finances, nothing to do with them, wider issues are our workload and the expectations of the membership for the union to look after them.
If they get to embroiled in the running of this company we are screwed, next thing they will be trying to cost everything and "can't give you a payrise, look at the books".
Companies problem not ours.

The reason for a union existing is to be involved in how the company is run. It always has been and always will be, otherwise what is the point?

[tramssirhc]

Anything Martin Walsh says is simply telegraphing what's coming. That's not what an independent rank and file fighting back trade union does. The CWU is a bust flush.

Join the pwrfc then or whatever they are called.

Sean06 are you the entity that called the CWU collaborators with an employer? I think you'll find you are. Get off your knees and start fighting the CWU.

[Barnacle]

Anything Martin Walsh says is simply telegraphing what's coming. That's not what an independent rank and file fighting back trade union does. The CWU is a bust flush.

Join the pwrfc then or whatever they are called.

Sean06 are you the entity that called the CWU collaborators with an employer? I think you'll find you are. Get off your knees and start fighting the CWU.

‘Start fighting the CWU’???