CHOOSING BETWEEN NEW SHIFT PATTERNS

[SkiSunday]

Every local duty should be put in the pot across the UK after the trials are imposed. DO/MC/processing/collections. Let seniority directly decide who holds which duty.

[A2B]

All 7 have been put on our notice board today, some are keen on a 4 day week, I think it will come down to 2 in 5 and 2 in 6.

There is going to have to be some proper explaining as to why some offices are only being given 1-2 options - some vague 'that's the way it is' just won't cut it.

I'm afraid it will just come down to it's too much hassle which isn't the right answer but one I can understand.

I honestly feel sorry for the people at local level who have to try and get this up and running because I think there's going to be issues with people moved to a shift pattern they don't want.

[SpacePhoenix]

yes this is what we are all
saying, our rep is not the best tbh but will be speaking to her today as the rest of the office will, not voting for anything.

If no one votes then you'll probably get whichever option is the cheapest to implement forced upon you.

Every local duty should be put in the pot across the UK after the trials are imposed. DO/MC/processing/collections. Let seniority directly decide who holds which duty.

No change to staffing needed in MCs. Some frames will be 1C and some will be 2C, with staff moving between the 1C frames and the 2C frames as needed. 1C and 2C will be boxed up separately and both go out to the DOs the same day.

[SkiSunday]

Every local duty should be put in the pot across the UK after the trials are imposed. DO/MC/processing/collections. Let seniority directly decide who holds which duty.

No change to staffing needed in MCs. Some frames will be 1C and some will be 2C, with staff moving between the 1C frames and the 2C frames as needed. 1C and 2C will be boxed up separately and both go out to the DOs the same day.

The point I was making is, since we are now under new ownership OPG level employee duties should all be into the pot and picked on seniority.
It would also be an easy way for DK to lose thousands of "legacy" staff for free.

[Tabsthepostie]

I'm really sorry I can't find anywhere to make a new post to ask my question? Please delete or tell me how to post elsewhere if not allowed here.
I don't come on here very often.
Me and my daughters dad both work for royal mail, I've been here 4.5 years and he's been with royal mail for nearly 20 years.
I'm only working 2 days per week at the moment due to not having any childcare so can't work any more.
At the moment he works the usual 6 days to have a rota week off.
He's was planning to change to a fixed day off to help with childcare. Work originally agreed and said that would be fine. Now he's put it in writing work are now saying he won't be able to do that, what with restructuring repack etc. I'm wondering if he can be forced to work that 6th day a week to have a rota week off? Royal mail is the only company I've ever known to have a shift pattern like this.
If anyone could help I'd really appreciate it, even helping me to post this question in the right place.
Thank you!

[kazardaimenu]

I'm really sorry I can't find anywhere to make a new post to ask my question? Please delete or tell me how to post elsewhere if not allowed here.
I don't come on here very often.
Me and my daughters dad both work for royal mail, I've been here 4.5 years and he's been with royal mail for nearly 20 years.
I'm only working 2 days per week at the moment due to not having any childcare so can't work any more.
At the moment he works the usual 6 days to have a rota week off.
He's was planning to change to a fixed day off to help with childcare. Work originally agreed and said that would be fine. Now he's put it in writing work are now saying he won't be able to do that, what with restructuring repack etc. I'm wondering if he can be forced to work that 6th day a week to have a rota week off? Royal mail is the only company I've ever known to have a shift pattern like this.
If anyone could help I'd really appreciate it, even helping me to post this question in the right place.
Thank you!

I’m not sure the answer but you can post it under new topic on blue shirts to get more reach. I’m guessing they aren’t allowing shift pattern changes until the new way of working gets forced through.

[postslippete]

I'm really sorry I can't find anywhere to make a new post to ask my question? Please delete or tell me how to post elsewhere if not allowed here.
I don't come on here very often.
Me and my daughters dad both work for royal mail, I've been here 4.5 years and he's been with royal mail for nearly 20 years.
I'm only working 2 days per week at the moment due to not having any childcare so can't work any more.
At the moment he works the usual 6 days to have a rota week off.
He's was planning to change to a fixed day off to help with childcare. Work originally agreed and said that would be fine. Now he's put it in writing work are now saying he won't be able to do that, what with restructuring repack etc. I'm wondering if he can be forced to work that 6th day a week to have a rota week off? Royal mail is the only company I've ever known to have a shift pattern like this.
If anyone could help I'd really appreciate it, even helping me to post this question in the right place.
Thank you!

If management initially agreed to a fixed day off verbally but are now backtracking then he needs to get it in writing why they are refusing and some clarification whether its a temporary hold due to restructuring or a flat-out refusal. He also needs to speak to a Union rep and take it higher (Area Rep) if he thinks he is being fobbed off by the local rep. RM often use the old chestnut "operational needs" and they can refuse the request but they still need to follow a fair process.

[Dano boy]

I feel anyone on duties they never wanted and have high seniority, will not be given the chance to pick a duty they require. It's all about abolishing seniority and putting posties in duties the managers want there . Unfortunately that's what you are faced with now until it's at a point where there's no legacy workers left . They won't want full resigns as it's costly . They will just tweek duties as the shift manger seems right . Doomed if you're a legacy worker I think

[Thommo44]

Depends on how many non drivers there are in the office as to what shift patterns you are offered.

Does anyone know the formula for this, we only have one person not driving who is temporarily on medical restriction. There are 2 hct rounds

[Perseus]

How are things going in other offices with the ‘encouraging everyone to drive’ drive?
Zero uptake in ours and a lot of people have actually gone the other way and now don’t drive when before they did.

[qwerty2]

How are things going in other offices with the ‘encouraging everyone to drive’ drive?
Zero uptake in ours and a lot of people have actually gone the other way and now don’t drive when before they did.

‘encouraging everyone to drive’ - are they going to pay for driving lessons for people who don’t actually drive?
Then you’ve got to wait 22 weeks for a test!

[Perseus]

How are things going in other offices with the ‘encouraging everyone to drive’ drive?
Zero uptake in ours and a lot of people have actually gone the other way and now don’t drive when before they did.

‘encouraging everyone to drive’ - are they going to pay for driving lessons for people who don’t actually drive?
Then you’ve got to wait 22 weeks for a test!

It's more about encouraging people to do something that isn't in their contract, with zero benefit to them. Why would they? I can only assume if offices don't have enough driving staff then they would fall under the same 'no savings to be made' umbrella that firms and rural duties are to work to, the current 6 day a week service.

[Mr Rush]

How are things going in other offices with the ‘encouraging everyone to drive’ drive?
Zero uptake in ours and a lot of people have actually gone the other way and now don’t drive when before they did.

Tumbleweed is more likely to roll out the yard than any of the non-drivers. Maybe they can give us bus passes like the old days for clearing a bag of first class on a Saturday.

[A2B]

How are things going in other offices with the ‘encouraging everyone to drive’ drive?
Zero uptake in ours and a lot of people have actually gone the other way and now don’t drive when before they did.

We haven't had anything from management yet but 2 people with 20 years plus service who have never driven for RM have asked for driving assessment

This has put the cat amongst the pigeons with the other drivers as some may not get their desired duty in the repick