WTL says D2D's must be done in own time!

[Jenny Manchester]

Here is a copy of our Work time learning from last week, we never had the meeting we just got handed the sheets. Looks like more management propaganda?

Hope the picture is readable. The names of the guilty have been blacked out.

I Like the Health and Safety bit. Our office is a disgrace bags and boxes and yorks, strappings all over. phgs doing tracked packets in the gangway where you sign on. The place is a joke, but its alright for them to do it, even smoke billows in through the door from the smokers.

[Funked!]

Thanks for info guys. I was under the impression that d2d's prepping was to be done in my own time as we are paid extra for these. So now i can claim ot if i go over my duty time prepping/delivering these?

As long as you only do 20%.

If like some you try & do all in one day & then claim overtime you would find yourself on dodgy ground & refused.

[Captain Scarlet]

D2D's have always had to be done in your own time, not as part of your duty time. This is because you get paid extra to deliver them. So prepping and extra time to deliver these are separate. I don't mind doing them as you can earn another £150pm on top.

Don,t think so Postal, these have always been done during working time and there is even a RM document to prove it, when will some of you guys get what is going on in some offices, it seems the prep time is so tight that managers will tell you anything to get you out the door on time and keep o/t down.
I think we will see when the agreement comes out exactly how it is done because D2D will be part of your live mail and could be 5 a week, so will you come in early to prep these aswell?

[Captain Scarlet]

Thanks for info guys. I was under the impression that d2d's prepping was to be done in my own time as we are paid extra for these. So now i can claim ot if i go over my duty time prepping/delivering these?

You cannot claim o/t for delivering them but you take 20% a day and if your dely is going to take you over your time then dom has to either pay you or cut off but dom cannot say that your 20% is taking you over cos as I said before the RM document on how to prep dely,s states that these are prepped as part of your duty process, ask dim dom for a copy off the RM intranet

[el_cartero]

isnt it about time ...... this was sorted out ?

i mean for god sake what is our union paid to do?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

isnt it about time ...... this was sorted out ?

i mean for god sake what is our union paid to do?

Unless you joined over the weekend its not your union - you're not a member, you are not paying it anything

Anyway it has - it has always said that D2Ds although not part of the workload re traffic etc, they should be done during normal working hours (not breaks) its just that the message is not getting through to all reps and DOs and some managers are taking advantage.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

If they tell you to do D2D in your own time, tell them you would be working for less than the minimum wage, which would be illegal.

[el_cartero]

isnt it about time ...... this was sorted out ?

i mean for god sake what is our union paid to do?

Unless you joined over the weekend its not your union - you're not a member, you are not paying it anything

Anyway it has - it has always said that D2Ds although not part of the workload re traffic etc, they should be done during normal working hours (not breaks) its just that the message is not getting through to all reps and DOs and some managers are taking advantage.

ok sorry YOUR union ....... it would seem working life is rock bottom at RM ( ive only been working here 6 months) and im finding that my walk is unbearably long and tiring - rediculous really well overloaded etc etc coming in to huge piles of mail every morning wen its all mean tto be prepped etc etc etc jsut cant see what this union has ever actually done for likes of me yes im not a member - my walks a non member walk?
PS NO REP AT MY OFFICE.

Maybe they have just got more money? because from what i can see IT CANT GET ANY WORSE.

OR IT POSSIBLY CAN !!!!!!!!!!!! still waiting on the agreement ( the one we stopped striking for)

[IWW Fellow Worker]

isnt it about time ...... this was sorted out ?

i mean for god sake what is our union paid to do?

Unless you joined over the weekend its not your union - you're not a member, you are not paying it anything

Anyway it has - it has always said that D2Ds although not part of the workload re traffic etc, they should be done during normal working hours (not breaks) its just that the message is not getting through to all reps and DOs and some managers are taking advantage.

ok sorry YOUR union ....... it would seem working life is rock bottom at RM ( ive only been working here 6 months) and im finding that my walk is unbearably long and tiring - rediculous really well overloaded etc etc coming in to huge piles of mail every morning wen its all mean tto be prepped etc etc etc jsut cant see what this union has ever actually done for likes of me yes im not a member - my walks a non member walk?
PS NO REP AT MY OFFICE.

Maybe they have just got more money? because from what i can see IT CANT GET ANY WORSE.

Join the union or stop whinging. If everyone was like you, we'd all be on a 56 hour, six day week. Do you imagine you get £8 an hour because Royal Mail want you to have it? Why do you suppose you get paid leave and sick pay? That's because union members have fought for them. You're a freeloader!

[el_cartero]

isnt it about time ...... this was sorted out ?

i mean for god sake what is our union paid to do?

Unless you joined over the weekend its not your union - you're not a member, you are not paying it anything

Anyway it has - it has always said that D2Ds although not part of the workload re traffic etc, they should be done during normal working hours (not breaks) its just that the message is not getting through to all reps and DOs and some managers are taking advantage.

ok sorry YOUR union ....... it would seem working life is rock bottom at RM ( ive only been working here 6 months) and im finding that my walk is unbearably long and tiring - rediculous really well overloaded etc etc coming in to huge piles of mail every morning wen its all mean tto be prepped etc etc etc jsut cant see what this union has ever actually done for likes of me yes im not a member - my walks a non member walk?
PS NO REP AT MY OFFICE.

Maybe they have just got more money? because from what i can see IT CANT GET ANY WORSE.

Join the union or stop whinging. If everyone was like you, we'd all be on a 56 hour, six day week. Do you imagine you get £8 an hour because Royal Mail want you to have it? Why do you suppose you get paid leave and sick pay? That's because union members have fought for them. You're a freeloader!

56 hour week? id love that im stuck on 22,5 hours with no sign of a future of more hours. 8 pound an hour? its nothing mate they get paid more in lidls. and they dont have a union . it seems clear to me that royal mail has won every war against the cwu. dont try and make out the life would be HELL without them because i know for a fact im at absaloute maximum load just now and my walks 1.5 hours over what it should be.

its obvious RM are in charge . OPEN YOUR EYES

and from what im hearing about the talks all the cwu are doing is discussing how we are going to get even more royally FKD OVER ..

[IWW Fellow Worker]

isnt it about time ...... this was sorted out ?

i mean for god sake what is our union paid to do?

Unless you joined over the weekend its not your union - you're not a member, you are not paying it anything

Anyway it has - it has always said that D2Ds although not part of the workload re traffic etc, they should be done during normal working hours (not breaks) its just that the message is not getting through to all reps and DOs and some managers are taking advantage.

ok sorry YOUR union ....... it would seem working life is rock bottom at RM ( ive only been working here 6 months) and im finding that my walk is unbearably long and tiring - rediculous really well overloaded etc etc coming in to huge piles of mail every morning wen its all mean tto be prepped etc etc etc jsut cant see what this union has ever actually done for likes of me yes im not a member - my walks a non member walk?
PS NO REP AT MY OFFICE.

Maybe they have just got more money? because from what i can see IT CANT GET ANY WORSE.

Join the union or stop whinging. If everyone was like you, we'd all be on a 56 hour, six day week. Do you imagine you get £8 an hour because Royal Mail want you to have it? Why do you suppose you get paid leave and sick pay? That's because union members have fought for them. You're a freeloader!

56 hour week? id love that im stuck on 22,5 hours with no sign of a future of more hours. 8 pound an hour? its nothing mate they get paid more in lidls. and they dont have a union . it seems clear to me that royal mail has won every war against the cwu. dont try and make out the life would be HELL without them because i know for a fact im at absaloute maximum load just now and my walks 1.5 hours over what it should be.

its obvious RM are in charge . OPEN YOUR EYES

Just carry on then. And when some inadequate manager who can't get noticed any other way decides to score a few brownie points by pcking on you, you'll have no one to turn to. Of course the CWU isn't perfect, it's a business union run by people who are as divorced from reality as Crozier or Tolhurst, but at local level I'd rather have them than not and I'd rather be a member than a freeloading non-union scab.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

56 hour week? id love that im stuck on 22,5 hours with no sign of a future of more hours. 8 pound an hour? its nothing mate they get paid more in lidls. and they dont have a union .

The managers are but I doubt if the staff are on £8 an hour

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[el_cartero]

ill pledge my alliance with the CWU if and big IF after these talks my cicumstances have improved in ANY way . fair enough?

[IWW Fellow Worker]

ill pledge my alliance with the CWU if and big IF after these talks my cicumstances have improved in ANY way . fair enough?

Not really. You'll still be a freeloader and a blackleg, exept you'll be an opportunist freeloading blackleg.

[el_cartero]

well lets face it theres sitting in lidls or aldi. beeping food through the till...

That said, the pay is good and progression is available if you earn it and as for it. I believe the current starting salary for a trainee store manager is as high as £27k and it is not unheard of for store assistants to progress to district manager within the company. There does not seem to be a great deal of transparency in terms of promotion and progression but the opportunity is there and the company does value those who work hard and do their job properly (although you may not feel valued after a year of 70 hour weeks). It also gives you great experience if you wish to make a long term career in this level of retail.

and then theres royal mail... hahah and we all know what we go through ... could u imagine what id come out with at the end of the week on 6 an hour with RM im currently coming out with 138 pound a week .. and i feel like ive just worked my fkin arse off big time .

and that involves workign from 8 am to 2- 3pm home for about 4 then i need a good nap sim up for aroudn 5 or 6 ... which hsi bassically like a full time workign day for me

6 an hour id be lucky coming otu with 110 a week - and trust me i WOOD NOT BE HERE - i dont even know if ill be here much long on my 138 a week.

ITS SHITE MATE